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Old 03-16-2008, 06:07 PM     Post subject: Colour me donkey (comments please) #1 (permalink)  
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SB ($10.28)
BB ($2)
UTG ($7.05)
MP ($4.85)
CO =(Villain) ($5.10)
Hero ($9.78)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ah Jh
1 fold, MP raises to $0.3, CO =(Villain) calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.95, 1 fold, MP calls $0.70, CO =(Villain) calls $0.70.

Flop: ($4.10) 9h 3d Ad (4 players)
SB checks, MP bets $1, Villain calls $1, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, MP folds, Villain calls $3.

Turn: ($13.10) 7d (2 players)

River: ($13.10) 4c (2 players)

Final Pot: $13.10

Yeah, I'm a newbie.
The table was a full table, just only had 6 people for this hand.
No significant reads or history on the others in the hand, I'd been playing a tight-aggressive game, except when I go for the blind steal on position alone without looking at cards, which I did pretty religiously. I guess my VP$IP is around 20-25 and PFR above 15.

Pre-flop it comes around to me, and I figure that the range for the two people already in the hand is any pocket pair, any suited ace or king, Q9s+, JTs+, QT0+. I feel good against most of these and re-raise to isolate - thinking also that I'll have position post-flop.

It's called by all, including SB, and I don't quite know what to put him on. Isolating didn't go so well, and I'm not confident about which range to put them all on now, let alone when it comes round to me.

$1 is a pretty weak bet to me, but if I call it both MP and CO (villain) have $3 left in their stack with a pot above $7 - this seems like it would give them pot odds to call a lot of stuff on turn and/or river. AA, KK and QQ all seem likely, except I'd maybe have expected a re-raise pre-flop (except SB who could call maybe with KK and QQ) or harder betting post-flop. I decide that at least the check and bet are probably not TPGK, TPTK or trips, bet might be a high pocket pair checking if anyone has an ace. Call I'm not sure about. I decide on a whim that MP probably bet something like TT and CO(villain) called with Ax. Instinctively I don't like the Call option, although perhaps that would have been the right move - so thinking to myself "let's see who has a bigger ace" I put in a healthy raise to put the two people already with chips in after the flop all-in and giving SB something to think about.

After the show down SB comments on how stupidly I played the hand, and I wondered briefly if he was just trying to get me on tilt, but he seemed to genuinely think I'd made a very wrong move. (I didn't respond, but someone else at the table took it upon himself to disagree and a bit of discussion ensued.) I'm pretty happy with the pre-flop move, but I have no idea whether I did the right thing post-flop. Any comments?
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:34 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Cold call preflop. You have the position but AJ is a hand that gets you in lots of trouble. 3betting AJs is very very very marginal.

Flop is a fold. After your 3 bet gets called by 4 people you need to assume atleast one of them has AQ or AK maybe even AA getting tricky/stupid.
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Old 03-16-2008, 06:48 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Cold call preflop. You have the position but AJ is a hand that gets you in lots of trouble. 3betting AJs is very very very marginal.

Flop is a fold. After your 3 bet gets called by 4 people you need to assume atleast one of them has AQ or AK maybe even AA getting tricky/stupid.
What he said.

One pair on a monochrome board is trouble, too. Even the stuff you beat will have tons of outs on you here. If you're ahead 70/30 60% of the time and behind 90/10 the other 40%, you're only ahead 46% of the time (and giving you the best hand 60% of the time is being really really optimistic) That, and if you continue with this hand when you're opponent isn't this short compared to the pot, you'll never know which cards hit them and which ones didn't. GTFO ASAP
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Old 03-16-2008, 07:37 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Thanks, exactly what I was looking for.
I find it interesting that it's a cold call pre-flop - as I was sitting there I was vacillating between folding to just not take any risks and playing safe, if a bit weakly, and raising to try to isolate. I didn't seriously consider the call because I didn't want to be in a 3(or more)-way pot with AJs.

I should have assumed at least one person who called a 3-bet has AK or AQ, but I guess I'm still stupid enough to need it proven to me. Maybe one day I'll stop paying that particular idiot toll.

(edit) Oh yeah, and the point about monochrome board is also well made too thanks.
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