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EasyT

07-08-2005, 12:34 AM Post subject: Checkup - 16,000 hands

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Can I get some feedback on my Poker Stats. This is all my NL$25 history from PT. It doesn't include some very bad, limited, and losing peeks into higher limits.

Also can I get some opinion about a goal for moving UP. I'm definitely not ready now. I just want to know if I should move up, say, when my BB/100 reaches 10? 15? Or is their another stat (besides BR of course) which indicates a readiness for higher stakes. My BR is about 4x my "on the table" winnings now due to whored bonuses (meaning I already have more than 20 NL$50 buyins in the BR).

16,018 hands played at NL$25.
VP$IP: 23.74%
VP$SB: 37.55%
W$WSF: 34.20%
BB/100: 5.28
WTSD%: 19.56%
W$SD: 52.13%
PFR: 8.42%

AGGRESSION:
PF: 0.47
Flop: 3.63
Turn: 3.38
River: 2.11
TOTAL: 1.14

I didn't include the steal attempt and stolen from stats. These don't seem very important at NL$25 (where blinds are only .10/.25), but if I'm wrong I'll get you guys those stats too.

THANKS!!!!

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Dassin

07-08-2005, 05:11 AM

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I'm no expert, you've probably been playing longer than I have, but I couldn't imagine playing NL25 with your bankroll. I'd move up. Far more opportunity for profit.

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07-08-2005, 05:21 AM Post subject: Re: Checkup - 16,000 hands

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Sorry, I can't help you any. But your picture's funny!

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07-08-2005, 05:24 AM Post subject: Re: Checkup - 16,000 hands

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if youre seeing ANY significant profit you NEED to move up when you hit 30 buyins. staying at your current level is doing nothing but limiting your growth...youre playing too cautious.

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07-08-2005, 09:24 AM

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Theres nothing wrong with being conservative and waiting to move up, but as long as you have the bankroll and are willing to move back down if unsuccessfull then you should try moving up. Any positive winrate is fine for moving up.

EasyT

07-08-2005, 02:59 PM

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Yes, I am cautious. As I said, I isolated my stats to only include NL$25. It's the only level where I show a positive win rate. I've played some NL 50 and NL100, and have lost my buy-in most of the time. Perhaps I'm just playing scared when I move up.

Based on the comments, I will consider moving up soon, but will stay where I am winning for now.

What about the STATs themselves? Anything there stand out, or need improvement?

Thanks again.

EasyT

Ro_Joe

07-08-2005, 05:49 PM

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EasyT,

You and I are very similar. I started playing online seriously in March of this year and played at $25NL with a starting BR of $300. Over a couple of months I moved that up to over $1200. Decided to take the next step to $50NL. Absolutely got my tail kicked. My BR went down to around $550 in a short period of time. Every once in a while I would dropped back down and play $25NL to get my confidence back. To make a long story short, I am now steady playing $50NL and my BR is back to where it was when I started at this level. Now I am just trying to build on that.

I think it is all about confidence and playing your game. One thing I had to get comfortable with was the increase in the size of the bets preflop. A little trick I did was think of them in terms of what they would be on the $25NL game. Just cut them in half...example: a $2 preflop bet on $50NL would be like a $1 bet on $25NL. Just a 4xBB bet. This was a lot easier than actually looking at the actual dollar amount. I am much more comfortable now at this level. My game still has a lot of leaks, but I'm improving on making fewer mistakes than I was when I moved up.

Just my thoughts.

EasyT

07-08-2005, 09:56 PM

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Thanks for that input Ro_Joe.

Did you WIN the $900 to get your BR from $300 to $1,200, or does this include bonuses? I've only WON about $400 over the 16k hands (5bb/100). But add in the bonuses I have ~4x this amount in the total BR. If you won most of it and still got kicked around at NL$50 for awhile, then I'm probably not ready.

Thanks again everyone for your feedback. I'm not moving up just yet, but I'm plotting a course to play higher limits in the not-so-distant future.

EasyT

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07-08-2005, 10:39 PM

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I'm glad you got your game checked out here, EasyT. It puts my game in to perspective, too. You got a lot of encouragement to move up, but I think there's dollar value in playing confidently, and in being a bigger fish in a little pond. The bonus part of the bank roll can't be completely ruled out, though; I imagine when you are ready to move up, a fat bonus-enhanced oversized BR will give you plenty of confidence to weather a squall or two.

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Cocco_Bill

07-08-2005, 11:51 PM

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You are likely a winning player, but you can not accurately know your true winrate after only 16k hands. It could be anything from break even to +10BB/100 or even a wider span.

Anyhow the 50NL on Party is among the worst on the net. Find softer games elsewhere...or make the jump directly to 100NL which are good compared to most sites.

Ro_Joe

07-11-2005, 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyT

Did you WIN the $900 to get your BR from $300 to $1,200, or does this include bonuses?

EasyT

EasyT,

Not much....just $100. Does include some wins on SNGs, but I would say 80 - 90% is profit on $25NL.

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Anyhow the 50NL on Party is among the worst on the net. Find softer games ...

Cocco_Bill

Cocco_Bill....I would be really interested in why you say that. What do you mean find softer games? Thanks.

Ro_Joe

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07-11-2005, 05:30 PM Post subject: Re: Checkup - 16,000 hands

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Originally Posted by EasyT

hey how are ya.
From what I can see you are doing ok and should maybe move up a level. I Play on stars at the .5/1$ table which is the equivalent of the 100$ or 200$ NL tables on party and our stats are almost the same except for a couple of things.

1-> my VP$IP is 30.14% (but I think that is a personal choice) I like to play a bit more loose to get good action for my big cards, which helps alot with your BB/100.

2->PFR. Maybe a bit to low, especially if you want ot go up a level. Look at it this way, of your 16K hands you played 23% of them which is 3600, and of the 3600 that you played raised 8% of them preflop which is about 300 hands. Its good to be agressive, it pays on the long run. Look for more raising opertunities preflop in late position, even if you have absolutly nothing. Just make sure you follow through on the flop with a bet and you'll be surprised how much money you'll make doing that.

3->agression. In my opinion you might whant to be a bit more agressive if you are going to go up a notch. You seem to be agressive on the flop and turn but really slow down on the river?? why is that? is it because you loose confidence in your hand once someone has called you down to the river? might be something to watch for.

All in all I think its good, but I would tend you loosen up and be a bit more agressive (not the stupid agressive but the smart one) to make your BB/100 go up plus it makes you harder to read.

tell me what you think
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07-11-2005, 05:33 PM Post subject: Re: Checkup - 16,000 hands

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EasyT

hey how are ya.
From what I can see you are doing ok and should maybe move up a level. I Play on stars at the .5/1$ table which is the equivalent of the 100$ or 200$ NL tables on party and our stats are almost the same except for a couple of things.

1-> my VP$IP is 30.14% (but I think that is a personal choice) I like to play a bit more loose to get good action for my big cards, which helps alot with your BB/100.

2->PFR. Maybe a bit to low, especially if you want ot go up a level. Look at it this way, of your 16K hands you played 23% of them which is 3600, and of the 3600 that you played raised 8% of them preflop which is about 300 hands. Its good to be agressive, it pays on the long run and makes your BB/100 go up.By being a bit more agressive preflop and on the flop I made my BB/100 go up from 4 to 11.5/100 and is steadily staying at that level. Look for more raising opertunities preflop in late position, even if you have absolutly nothing. Just make sure you follow through on the flop with a bet and you'll be surprised how much money you'll make doing that.

3->agression. In my opinion you might whant to be a bit more agressive if you are going to go up a notch. You seem to be agressive on the flop and turn but really slow down on the river?? why is that? is it because you loose confidence in your hand once someone has called you down to the river? might be something to watch for.

All in all I think its good, but I would tend you loosen up and be a bit more agressive (not the stupid agressive but the smart one) to make your BB/100 go up plus it makes you harder to read.

tell me what you think
later

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I love this game

Rondavu

07-11-2005, 07:59 PM

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You do need to be more aggressive. You gotta be raising in late position with a hand, not calling. I bet you're the guy who gets K9 offsuit in the cutoff with one guy in before you and just calls because your hand isn't that great. Maybe you even consider folding. Wrong move. RAISE IT! Be cautious if one of the blinds calls. Hope for the one middle caller. Continue hard when he checks to you if a face card shows. Bang!, nice little pot.

You see not only are you using position to take down a pot with a marginal hand, but you're increasing the chance that you'll get action on a big hand.

You seem a little too passive. Higher limits are no place for that. The higher you go, the more people can sense when they have an edge and will push. That edge can come from them having the current marginal best hand, or from you being too passive with the marginal best hand. It's easy to bet the nuts. Can you defend a pair of kings 6 kicker when it's ahead?

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Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

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07-11-2005, 09:19 PM

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only tip i can give is again, be more aggressive. i play 7% less hands than you and raise 1% more of the time preflop. if you want to play 23% of your hands your PFR needs to be higher. IMO 23% of your hands is a lot, and in itself might be a leak if you are not ready for it, and if you are having trouble moving up this might be a good thing to look at.

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EasyT

07-11-2005, 10:28 PM

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Thanks Greedo, Rondavu, Res1cue, CoccoBill and others.

I'm going to pay more attention to my aggression, and try to be more selective with my hands. Though I think that simply running up the aggression and playing better hands is not it, either. I think it's running up the aggression when the situation warrants it, not necessarily the cards I hold.

EasyT

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