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Old 04-18-2009, 06:55 AM     Post subject: Checking my series of thoughts on this hand #1 (permalink)  
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Button ($9.70)
Hero (SB) ($6.70)
BB ($2)
UTG ($10.45)
UTG+1 ($6.85)
MP1 ($7.10)
MP2 ($17.75)
MP3 ($9.75)
CO ($21.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, A
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

(Alrighty, I have ace 8 offsuit in the small blind... looks like a lot of people limped to me. I don't think the BB will raise unless he's very strong, so let's go for a cheap flop.)

Flop: ($0.40) 8, 5, K (4 players)
Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.30, 1 fold

(Hey, look at that. First off, I got the nut flush draw along with a pair of 8's; I've got a great hand even if somebody paired their king. Also, I'm thirsty. But eh, got to focus on this hand. I'll lead out for a moderate amount, and hopefully weaker flush draws will follow me. I got one caller... and I haven't really been paying attention to him. Well, I know he's been playing more hands than I have, so he's at least kinda loose. I'll say he's got a weaker diamond or some kind of pair; I would think he'd raise a made flush.

Turn: ($1) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.60

(It seems like a blank, but I still think he'll follow with another diamond, and even if he has a king, I'll still have a lot of ways to beat him if he calls...)

MP1 raises to $3.10

(Hmmm? That kind of surprised me. Why so much? So what is this, an already made flush making its move? 7 6? King and a strong diamond? Looking at my stack, just calling almost commits me and may cause awkwardness if I don't hit. Seems like I got to choose between all in and fold. Well, that's 7 to 9 outs vs a set, straight, or small flush; 12 to 13 outs vs two pair or a king, and I can really see him trying this with Q 8 or 10 7 with one diamond or something weird like that. My time is ticking down; I guess I'm leaning towards... go for it and hold my breath.)

Hero raises to $6.30 (All-In), MP1 calls $3.20

River: ($13.60) [a card] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $13.60 | Rake: $0.65

(Oh hey I had a glass of water next to me this whole time.)
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Old 04-18-2009, 07:04 AM #2 (permalink)  
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yes, calling commits you
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Old 04-18-2009, 01:54 PM #3 (permalink)  
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fold preflop. if its not good enough to raise don't sink any more money into it.
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fold preflop.
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if its not good enough to raise don't sink any more money into it.
No. This is just retarded. A lot of hands are profitable to complete the small blind with. A lot of hands are profitable to call with preflop. A lot of hands are profitable to limp behind with preflop, some even profitable (although very unbalancing and maybe not the most profitable) to open limp with. To stick to the "pump it or dump it" mantra is just an easy scapegoat for not wanting to think in the moment and consider the situation at hand.
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 I would have folded pre. As played I'd fold it and remind myself I should have folded pre!
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fold preflop.
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if its not good enough to raise don't sink any more money into it.
No. This is just retarded. A lot of hands are profitable to complete the small blind with. A lot of hands are profitable to call with preflop. A lot of hands are profitable to limp behind with preflop, some even profitable (although very unbalancing and maybe not the most profitable) to open limp with. To stick to the "pump it or dump it" mantra is just an easy scapegoat for not wanting to think in the moment and consider the situation at hand.
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I don't hate the lead though, just evaluating other options..
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