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Knytestorme
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07-11-2006, 01:23 PM
Post subject: Check up time, 10k
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Flush
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Location: Australia
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Well have hit around 10k hands at $25NL and have my BR at around $2k so am looking at making the jump up to $50NL and thought I would post stats and info to get some feedback on what looks like needing to be fixed.
I'm aware I still have some fair leaks in my game, no stealing blinds or defending often enough is one that leaps out at me but I will try to not introduce any bias into the feedback 
BTW, on the profit graph, see if you can tell where I stopped 4-tabling at my desk with only music going and started to just single table on the laptop in bed while watching TV...then see if you can pick where I stopped to it and started 4-tabling again.
First up we have general stats.
Then the more detailed stats
Now comes position
Next we have the top five winning hands
And then the top 5 losers
And finally the profit graph
Hopefully there isn't too much there to wade through and bore people with, but all feedback is appreciated.
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Ravageur
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Official Montreal SwampRat
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A lot of your stats seem very positive (I'm no pokertracker connaiseur). Your post-flop agression seems great, and your position stats standard as well. Your winners and losers are akin to mine and other ppl who's stats I've seen that are winning players.
I do think that you're an exploitable player though as you move up in stakes unless you loosen up preflop and raise a wider range of hands. 5.7% just doesn't cut it when you're playing against even semi-aware opponents. I've recently tried to tighten up my game and I still run around 25/17 though that's 6-max. Full ring I think a solid tag runs at 19/12 ? I'm sure more knowledgeable tags will chime in. I think adding a few re-steals when you're on the blinds every once in a while would have a positive impact on your game. You can do this with any PP, and suited broadsways. Passively playing these hands OOP may be reason some of your weaker aces are losers for you.
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Family Cruise IMO
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mulhollanddrive
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Join Date: May 2006
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hi there, im not an expert by any means but had a few thoughts.
as you mentioned defending your SB could be opened up, perhaps getting down from folding 90% to 80%.
the other main thing, is that you seem to be placing too much value, or possibly hanging onto those group 3-4 type hands such as AJ, KQ too many times post flop? That definately seems to be an odd point. Could that possibly explain the 43% SD win rate?
could perhaps increase PFR to double what you have now, maybe raising those losing hands could fix that issue above.
hope that helps! It's easy in theory to say improve this stat or that, but its a good analysis tool definatley.
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mulhollanddrive
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Join Date: May 2006
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also the switching points for multitabling - 4k and 8k hands ? I've never multied but aim to practice, what problems did you find most difficult with this?
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
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your player actions section is screeming about the bet/raise/ check-raise. when you lead out or bet aggressive at these stakes, you put people off the mediocre hands and take down smaller pots, but the call section shows that you call with weeker hands and go to losing showdowns. Your W$SD is at 43%your taking 2best to showdown a little too oftenand your fold to a river bet is 59%. Your hanging on to bad hands too long.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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move up now.
DOnt think about it do now.
Your stats are fine and there is nothing taht really needs work here at 25nl.
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
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You're a bit nitty for my taste, but overall.. wtf are you doing at 25NL with a $2k BR? Move up
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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I'd like to see a steady increase in VP$IP and, even more so, PFR from MP to the button - you seem to regard the button as licence to raise (it is) but you're playing, and raising, a full 5% fewer hands from CO, which is a less obvious stealing position and almost as good. If you need evidence, look at the respective won at showdown stats for CO and button!
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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just because he has the bankroll for 100NL doesn't mean he should move up - The games get a bit tougher as you move up - Beating 25NL for under 5 BB's...I think your playing too tight - you can't play too loose either, but i think your VIP should be at least 5% higher - you seem to be missing a lot of opportunities - And its okay to not fold your blinds every single time...are you even folding to min-raises from the Cutoff or Button? Do you get any action when you show up in a hand? I wouldn't give you any -
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Warpe
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Your BB/100 hand rate is too low for 25NL. You're winning but you're not crushing it, and 25NL is very crushable. The play isn't all that much different at 50NL, so go ahead and move up, but I'd take some of the advice here and fix those leaks before going any higher than that.
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djzcko
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Your BB/100 hand rate is too low for 25NL. You're winning but you're not crushing it, and 25NL is very crushable. The play isn't all that much different at 50NL, so go ahead and move up, but I'd take some of the advice here and fix those leaks before going any higher than that.
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Agree with Warpe here. $25nl is very crushable and I'd hold off on moving up until you can sustain at least 6-7BB/100. And regarding blind stealing/defending....forget about it at low limits. Work on your post flop play with the hands you play and then when you get to $100nl and above, start stealing some blinds.
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
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you certainly can steal/defend your blinds...I don't do it to steal blinds though, I do it for initiative - Initiative goes a long way at 25NL unless your against a total calling station - I like taking control of the hand most times, and raising does this - so raising LP with any reasonable hand is a good play, I think - Limping everything is weak play - The only time i want to limp a bunch is if the whole table is limping a bunch (like what vance was saying) but the only reason i do is because i don't want to "stir the pot" you know? I don't want everyone gunning for me so i just play loose/passive like they are...but then again, i like to steal some and i try to bluff more - i use to never bluff and then i realized it was a really good way to win extra pots...
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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hes running at 10bbs/100 at 25nl over 10k hands, wtf do you guys wanna see? 25bbs/100
Jesus, stop nitpicking.
yeah hes a bit nitty but thats nothing that wont work upto 100nl for sure. You can learn to not nut peddle when you get there
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
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hes only running 4.5BB/100.
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
hes running at 10bbs/100 at 25nl over 10k hands, wtf do you guys wanna see? 25bbs/100
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15 would be good. When I left 25NL I was running over 10PTBB/100. But 50NL is actually a better place to hone his game than 25NL, imo.
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
hes only running 4.5BB/100.
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BB vs PTBB. PTBB X 2 = BB
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ThelVlaster
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2005
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why are PTBB's 1/2 of a normal BB? For limit players?
And is PO the same as PT in this regard?
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by ThelVlaster
why are PTBB's 1/2 of a normal BB? For limit players?
And is PO the same as PT in this regard?
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From Poker Tracker help file:
"big bets won per 100 hands played. FOR NO-LIMIT/POT-LIMIT GAMES, a big bet is considered to be 2 times the big blind amount. If the big blind amount is $0.50 then a big bet is considered to be $1."
I don't know about Poker Office.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Originally Posted by ThelVlaster
why are PTBB's 1/2 of a normal BB? For limit players?
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Yup
in poker tracker BB = big bet. Not Big blind.
I think we should start a convention where
BB = big bet
bb = big blind
sb = small blind
its all easy then.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Knytestorme
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Australia
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Well thanks for the feedback so far guys, guess it's time for me to give a little more input now
Firstly, the reason I'm still at $25NL is that at around $1400 of my br has come from MTT and SnG cashes, so I didn't want to jump straight up to $50NL even if I had it without proving to myself I could post a winning game up to there. Also, as posted on my blog, I have set myself goals and fairly strict BR requirments for moving up and that is 40 buy-ins at the next level and a winrate of ~5ptBB over 10k hands minimum before making the jump.
Looking at blind steals/defense, I just have a problem with doing either with crap hands. For instance 52s is not something I'll try a steal with, either is like K3o though it probably should be. I won't fold a blind to a min-raise if I have a semi-decent draw at least, in fact like to play against a min-raise in BB anyway to work on my post-flop play, but I just can't see the point of calling a 3-4xBB raise with something like T2o even against an obvious steal.
For me, if I try to steal or defend I want to do so with a hand that even if I'm called has some chance of hitting a playable hand, otherwise I feel like I'm just giving up cash.
I agree that I am taking second best to showdown too often or for too long in the hand, and the one sheet I forgot about shows this, as the only losing final hands for me overall are high-card and one pair so that is something I need to work on but I think the W$wSD is also slightly explained by my playstyle while I'll get to in a sec.
Overall, my general style is:
A) EP - limp 66-99, raise TT+, toss AJ, raise AQo+
B) MP - limp 44-88, raise 99+, toss AJo, raise AJs+ if no raise before, limp Axs 50% if limpers before me
C) LP - limp 22-66, raise 77+, raise AJ+ if no raise before, limp/raise Axs 50/50% if limpers before me, raise Axs 100% of time if first in, raise QTs+ if no raise before me, call otherwise
D) Blinds - As A) but also will play most sc's down to 54s if raised (depending on size of raise)
Post-flop I look to take control if I hit some of the flop to see where things are (eg 3 in pot, flop comes K92, I have 98, I will lead at the pot for around 2/3...if I get reraised I will proceed if I have redraws, if I get called then I will most likely slowdown and play from there...I think this is why the W$SD is at 43%, because I lead out like this with middle or bottom pair and the passives just check-call it down and were playing like K3 or A2 but I don't want to put more in when I am likely behind once I know it)
This play also explains my horendous loss rate with high-card (taking AK-AJ too far) and one pair (taking middle pair too far or playing them too hard all the time) so it needs to be fixed and I am fairly certain I can get it under control.
The cards I have difficulty knowing what to do with in all positions though are JT+, I can't quite get a handle on when to play them and when to raise with them which is why I think my VP$IP is lower than it should be. I find I will often limp with KQ in late position with limpers or first in and think that I should be raising that more, same with something like QJs in mid position, etc so any advice there would be of help.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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you can beat this game for a much better winrate, maybe 7ptbb/100 and 10ptbb/100 or even 15 is sustainable. Now would be a good time to adapt a new playing stlye to see if you can win more moneys. Better now than when the money is too high.
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Originally Posted by ThelVlaster
why are PTBB's 1/2 of a normal BB? For limit players?
And is PO the same as PT in this regard?
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Yeah PO also uses ptBB.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Knytestorme
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Australia
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Hmm, so what would be the recommendations?
Stay at $25NL and push out another 10k hands to see if I can learn to increase my VP$IP and PRF along with getting W$SD% up, folded river % down and ptBB up to around 7 or 8 while some destackings while learning won't impact me?
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Move up to $50NL and work on those things but not move up to $100NL even if rolled for it until those things are fixed and realize that I will probably lose a little more than I would have with the move because I am starting to play more hands and play them more aggresivly pre-flop?
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underminedsk
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Flush
Join Date: Jul 2005
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move up, but I would check those top 5 losing hands if I were you. Hands like AQs, AQo and KQs are excellent hands and should be making you money. What are yor your stats for AKs and AKo? Are they similiar?
(perhaps this indicates you arent getting off TPTK often enough? Just a guess)
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online br: $14,000, @400NL full ring, 100NL 6 max
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Knytestorme
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Flush
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Australia
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Fairly sure that's a pretty good guess going by these last two images, one showing my AK stats, the other the general stats I meant to post before as well
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