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langaan

02-27-2009, 02:24 PM Post subject: check...

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hand 1- not many hands on vill, but he has been in more than 1/2 the pots, tbh not a clue what his donk on flop is

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($25.66)
UTG ($47.06)
Button ($25)
SB ($18.94)
Hero (CO) ($27.17)
BB ($23.39)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10

, Q

UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($5) 10

, 5

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, 1 fold

Turn: ($15) A

(2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($25) A

(2 players)
BB raises to $12.14 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $25

villain here is standard fish, passive, had no reason to beleive he was holding monster.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($25)
CO ($4.40)
Button ($26.31)
UTG ($25)
Hero (BB) ($28.67)
SB ($50.36)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5

, 5

1 fold, MP bets $1, 2 folds, SB calls $0.90, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($3) 10

, Q

, K

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($3) 8

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($3) 5

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.13, 1 fold, SB raises $9.24, Hero raises $14.22, SB raises to $49.36 (All-In), Hero calls $11.32 (All-In)

Total pot: $58.34

I find myself in this spot alot,
middlie pair with 1 low OC, should i just fold this always, unless villain is unlikley to fire 2nd barrely with overcards?
not sure what to do hear but I know I am losing in these situations.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($26.31)
Button ($42.40)
MP ($17.31)
UTG ($4.50)
Hero (BB) ($32.97)
CO ($38.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8

, 8

1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO bets $1.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, MP calls $1

Flop: ($3.85) 3

, 9

, 2

(3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $2.66, Hero calls $2.66, 1 fold

Turn: ($9.17) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($9.17) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $3, Hero calls $3

Total pot: $15.17

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dranger7070

02-27-2009, 02:30 PM

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dranger7070 has a little shameless behaviour in the past

Hand 1-

Flop call is fine, but what purpose does calling the turn have? I'd probably just fold this on the turn instead of putting in more money when I'm behind quite a few hands now.

Hand 2-

I gotta say this is standard. He could have slowplayed a flopped straight or set especially since you classify him as passive, but I think you can expect to be ahead here fairly often.

Hand 3-

I don't think you can just fold it straight away on the flop, I'd probably throw out a turn bet tho tbh since I think you can rep the flush here. If he calls/raises that just shut down.

Monty3038

02-27-2009, 03:53 PM Post subject: Re: check...

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Quote:

Originally Posted by langaan

, Q

UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1.25, 1 fold, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($5) 10

, 5

, 7

(4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, 1 fold

Turn: ($15) A

(2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5

River: ($25) A

(2 players)
BB raises to $12.14 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $25

Hmm... Ok, I'm going to kind of hijack this thread a bit for my own learning purposes... apologies up front if this is a waste of time.

So we don't know a lot about villian but he has been in a lot of pots that we've seen. All we know is that effective stacks pf are $19. Ok, we've got that covered, UTG has us covered, BB we have covered...

While I don't open QTo in this position without a read on players behind me (I don't really want this hand multi-way personally, but I'm a 10NL learning player still)...

PF: We open, get two blinds who call, UTG who limped calls. Hmm... BB becomes our villian so let's analyze him... he calls a $3 pot with a $1 bet. Hmm... pot was offering him 3 to 1 but he will be out of position, so I think here I'm going to put him on a pocket pair, AK, AQ, hmm... without reads I can't say much else.. maybe some broadway combos... if he is looser maybe even down to AJ, AT, KJ. Ok, let's keep all of that in for now. So we have 22+, AT+, KJ+ for a range IMO so far...

ugh... pot is multi-way, 4 ways, someone holds an ace, someone has at least a pocket pair... IMO...

Post-Flop: SB checks, I think he was blind defending... he is likely not worrisome so far. BB bets pot. Wow. Didn't expect Pot. Ok... that narrows his range, the board didn't scare him at all, so now I'm thinking TT+, possibly 55, 77. Of that, we are ahead of none of it. Normally I'm intimidated enough to fold this right here... that may not be correct though, let me try to analyze it...

I don't see him betting this way with anything we are ahead of. Without a more solid read I think you have to give him credit for the overpair or set... possibly the FD.

Let's look at it differently.
Pot post flop is $10 to you needing $5 to call, making it 2:1 (33%). You have potentially 5 outs, but that is only likely to win if he holds an overpair, so I have to discount it a bit, let's say 3 outs. That makes you a 12% chance to hit roughly... so I think it's a fold based on pot odds... let's see what his stack holds... So if we add in his stack, $33 pot roughly, $5 to call, 6.6 to 1 so let's call that 13% and you still can't beat that, so it is still a fold.

I just can't see you being ahead at all here... guys am I close?

Or am I just scratching the surface here...

Turn... he bets 1/3 of pot. Weird. Looks like a value bet to me. Now your need to win this 1/4 of the time, and you're down to less than 10% favorite... I still think this is a fold...

Fold is the only option here I think... you aren't ahead of anything he is betting this way IMO... unless he is just a major bluffer.

Thoughts on my analysis appreciated, doing it at work in my head so I may be off a bit, and I'm still getting better... comments appreciated...

Webb87

02-27-2009, 04:00 PM

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Hand1- Fold flop, his cold call pre and donk for pot into 3 players is really strong.

Hand2- Not bad, although it's pretty close because if he is as passive as you say he's likely very strong when he busts out check raising the river like this. If you give him a range of sets, straights and two-pairs then it's close and you might just call his check raise but if you think he can do this with AK as well then your equity is good.

Hand3- No reads here? I'm folding the flop but I'm not sure about this hand. Depends on the opponent.

St8ofN8

02-27-2009, 10:16 PM

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1st hand - Fold on the flop. You're beat.

2nd - You're lucky no one bet into you on the flop or turn, otherwise I would say fold with that board. Looks like you got paid off on this one.

3rd - debatable call pf. i'd probably call though or shove. as played, fold flop.

Carroters

02-28-2009, 02:56 AM

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Quote:

3rd - debatable call pf. i'd probably call though or shove. as played, fold flop

.

Why is this debatable? We can set mine profitably here all day long and have a good chance of a 3 way pot to boost our odds. I would lead this flop 3 way a lot as we can expect him to play back at us less with just overs since we're 3 handed. Think we can win the hand there often and still have some showdown value if called. If we're going to c/c we may aswell lead here imo. If we do check, c/f is better since all turns suck oop and we can't really call multiple barrells with no reads.

1. I don't mind the iso pre and would just fold the flop. As people have said, the pot sized donk multi way is rarely anything we beat. We're either slightly ahead of a fd or way behind.

2. This kind of sucks but he can have lots of 2 pair in his range so I'd prolly stack off and hope for the best.

kmind

02-28-2009, 07:01 AM

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Hand 2 just call his raise

dranger7070

02-28-2009, 12:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by St8ofN8

1st hand - Fold on the flop. You're beat.

2nd - You're lucky no one bet into you on the flop or turn, otherwise I would say fold with that board. Looks like you got paid off on this one.

3rd - debatable call pf. i'd probably call though or shove. as played, fold flop.

I agree with carroters, this would be a terrible shove PF. If you are doing this, you might want to reconsider your strategy. 88 isn't necessarily the WORST hand to shove with PF, but I'd much rather just play it for a set or fold.

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