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poker_pup
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08-24-2007, 11:31 AM
Post subject: Changing tables
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Any thoughts on when it's time to change tables? Losing affects your table image. Seems like when I'm losing, my bets and raises get less respect. Should I change tables when I lose a certain percentage of a buy in or should I attribute it to variance and just tough it out?
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euphoricism
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Your place or my place
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Change tables liberally, but not because you lost x% of a buyin. There's innumerable reasons to change tables but I dont think that is really a good reason in and of itself.
Change because your raises aren't getting respect? Meh. Just tighten up and watch them throw money at you.
I tend to change tables when I can't steal someones blind or someone on my left begins to cold call me a lot. When I get to the point where I find myself calling down too light because I think he might be "playing back at me" I generally just leave and find an easier game.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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i sit for a minimum of 20 hands before making up my mind to switch. but, if i dont see:
cold-calling raises pf oop
multiple limping frequently
weak showdowns
calling value bets on all streets
i leave.
there are just too many tables on too many sites to feel the need to "adjust."
just leave and find another.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
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I'm more than happy to leave if there's not at least 1 fish at my table, and even then I'll leave if the fish isn't that big a fish. I'm not bothered about the "challenge" of playing against good players because there's usually 2 of them on every table which gives me ample oppurtunities to learn how to beat them.
Having said that, it's good practise to learn to adjust to your image. Also, watch out for tilt, that might be a problem for you.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,545
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Originally Posted by Ash256
I'm not bothered about the "challenge" of playing against good players because there's usually 2 of them on every table which gives me ample oppurtunities to learn how to beat them.
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QFT, I hate the "play harder site to get better" argument. Anywhere you play there will be solid/non-spectactular regulars on each table, just be thankful you only have to deal with 1-2 at a time.
As far as moving tables I have a few determinants (I'm assuming NL here)
1. Table looseness (any table running less than 30VPIP GTFO)
2. Table aggressivess (any table running PFR>15 GTFO)
--you don't want TAGG's making it hard for the fish to enter pots
3. I get deep against solid opponents
4. A good LAGG sits to my left
5. I cannot actually determine where my money is coming from
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 4,255
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
As far as moving tables I have a few determinants (I'm assuming NL here)
1. Table looseness (any table running less than 30VPIP GTFO)
2. Table aggressivess (any table running PFR>15 GTFO)
--you don't want TAGG's making it hard for the fish to enter pots
3. I get deep against solid opponents
4. A good LAGG sits to my left
5. I cannot actually determine where my money is coming from
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#1...where the hell are you regularly finding tables over 30? 6max, i can see. but, at a fr? not at stars, as those are hard to find over 22 at times. and ive heard FTP is tighter.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
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hehe
here
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
Posts: 4,255
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looks like AP to me. thx.
they dont do BBJP for 25NL, though. however, if i ever get there, i have rb. 
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Seasider
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Bangor UK
Posts: 563
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The games at FTP are some of the worst I have seen for a long time IMHO. I went there for the bonus and in the words of Ron Burgandy "Instantly regret my decision".
I am also running like crap which clouds my judgement a bit, but looking over your PT HUD and seeing a sea of little TAG symbols is not fun.
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
5. I cannot actually determine where my money is coming from
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Really good point.
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Kagey
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 158
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Just a question.
If a calling station sits on your left, calls most of your pre-flop raises and C-bets, is it better to move table or just tighten up.
I usually seem to lose money in these situtions, where I know villain is crap but I can't get the cards to punish him.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
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I don't think it matters where the calling station sits. If he's a true calling station he'll check a lot when checked to, therefore it's not the worst to have him on your left. I mean, what woud you do differently if you were on his left? You certainly wouldn't fire more when checked to, nah, I'd rather be on his right and lead into him and fold to any aggression from him all the while having position on another fishy or a good LAGG.
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Chopper
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I don't think it matters where the calling station sits. If he's a true calling station he'll check a lot when checked to, therefore it's not the worst to have him on your left. I mean, what woud you do differently if you were on his left? You certainly wouldn't fire more when checked to, nah, I'd rather be on his right and lead into him and fold to any aggression from him all the while having position on another fishy or a good LAGG.
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totally agreed. the others i like on my left...loosies that are aggressive pf and tight as shit post flop (more aggro call stations), and rocks.
i bet into them all repeatedly, until they tell me to stop, as they call with all sorts of crap, and tell you exactly when they catch it. and the rocks just fold w/o the nuts.
you cant isolate against a call station, but thats true sometimes if you sit on their left, too.
also, dont forget to play with your bet sizes against these guys. find out what it takes to blow them off a pot consistently...psb, 3/4, sometimes overbetting, etc. once you find that threshold, MAX IT OUT against them with both real hands and semibluffs. dont vary your bet once you find one you like, just crush them for the most they will allow.
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LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.
Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,760
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Originally Posted by Kagey
Just a question.
If a calling station sits on your left, calls most of your pre-flop raises and C-bets, is it better to move table or just tighten up.
I usually seem to lose money in these situtions, where I know villain is crap but I can't get the cards to punish him.
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Tighten up, adjust your raises - if you get a suited connector minraise preflop and hope to hit, (I'm not saying that's the optimal play, it's just an idea), if you get a big pocket pair, raise as much as he will call. If I have someone who doesn't fold preflop much I like to experiment with various raise sizes pre to see what the highest they'll go is.. I find at 50NL the station threshold is more often than not between 8-10BB. The problem comes if there's a good player on the station's left, he may isolate and squeeze and piss you off, in which case it's time to tighten horrendously, play musical chairs, or flat out bugger off.
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sejje
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
When I get to the point where I find myself calling down too light because I think he might be "playing back at me" I generally just leave and find an easier game.
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That's a good one I used to have trouble with.
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