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Old 10-14-2005, 10:39 PM     Post subject: CBetz Quizz! #1 (permalink)  
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Dsaxton got me thinking...


Assume you open raise from MP with 2 cards, the button and one of the blinds call.
The flop comes with 3 cards, the blind checks, what's your play?


Now assume you are the button, MP raises, you smooth call, and the blind comes in.
3 cards come on the flop, the blind checks, MP bets 1/2 pot,
What does he have?
What do you have?
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Old 10-14-2005, 11:20 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Question 1) Play poker.

Question 2) You both have a poker game.
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Old 10-14-2005, 11:52 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 so I think your question is if someone from mp bets after raising preflop 1/2 the pot, is he repping strength. I say MP has strength.
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Old 10-15-2005, 12:05 AM #4 (permalink)  
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The hand that made me think of this was actually from 400NL on Stars. Here was the specific action. (Note the preflop caller was UTG, not the blind, which changes the hand a bit. I remembered the hand incorrectly. I would like a general discussion of continuation betting when one player has checked to the PFR'r, and there is one left to act.)


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($361)
BB ($654.20)
UTG ($452)
UTG+1 ($475.15)
MP1 ($110.45)
MPB ($477.15)
MP3 ($489)
CO ($94)
Button ($398.10)

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4, 1 fold, MPB raises to $16, 2 folds, Button calls $16, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $12.

Flop: ($54) 4, 3, 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MPB bets $24, Button calls $24, UTG+1 folds.

The specific question is:
What hand ranges do you think this action represents?

Assume that:
MP is agressive, but knows when to fold. He is capable of raising a wide range including suited connectors UTG, or complete trash with position. Very rarely out of line, and relatively tight post flop.
Button is a calling station, but has a vague idea of implied odds and hand values.
No read on UTG, but seems to be an average player for these limits.
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Old 10-15-2005, 04:12 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Great thread demiBBM.

I had a reply all typed out then realized that I had the opp on just about every hand under the sun except for rags. I guess that's the nature of going up against a LAGGY opponent.

As to the initial question - too many variables. It depends on the players I'm against and what the flop has washed up. At my level I'm probably more liable to play the cards than the players (ie, cbet if the board looks credible for a cbet).
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I have a better one:
You enter the pot preflop with two cards along with others. The flop comes two cards. The action gets around to you. What do you do?
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Quote:
You enter the pot preflop with two cards along with others. The flop comes two cards. The action gets around to you. What do you do?
You kick the dealer's ass.
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We will not support your pocket pair aggression.
 
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Old 10-15-2005, 12:40 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I think:

UTG+1 has pp < TT
because he limped, called a raise and wasn't excited by the flop. Possibly KQ, KJ and he doesn't want to bet into the raiser and caller. This is less likely thought because while I don't know about 400NL but I fold these holdings to a PFR.

MP has overcards
because he raised preflop and I would consider this a continuation bet. I don't have much experience with laggs.

Button has overpair like JJ ot TT, he should have raised on the flop but hes a calling station so he didn't.

I play micros by the way.
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I think UTG range is possibly 55- 77 but more likely JTs/QJs This is a good flop for most pairs.

We are focusing on MP and Button's range, though.
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Old 10-15-2005, 08:43 PM #10 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

SB ($361)
BB ($654.20)
UTG ($452)
UTG+1 ($475.15)
MP1 ($110.45)
MPB ($477.15)
MP3 ($489)
CO ($94)
Button ($398.10)

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $4, 1 fold, MPB raises to $16, 2 folds, Button calls $16, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $12.

Flop: ($54) 4, 3, 8 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MPB bets $24, Button calls $24, UTG+1 folds.

Turn: ($102) T (2 players)
MPB bets $36, Button calls $36.



What does a 1/3 pot bet on the turn do to define MP's hand?
Assuming button is loose passive, what does he call with getting 4 to 1?
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