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Open up your game a bit. Focus on playing good poker and move up as soon as possible.
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Open up your game a bit. Focus on playing good poker and move up as soon as possible.
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by opening up my game do you mean raising more often in lp?
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Open up your game a bit. Focus on playing good poker and move up as soon as possible.
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by opening up my game do you mean raising more often in lp? |
Play more hands and raise more often in every position.
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Open up your game a bit. Focus on playing good poker and move up as soon as possible.
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by opening up my game do you mean raising more often in lp? |
Play more hands and raise more often in every position. |
so i can't just play pp's my whole life? 
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ouch man, that has to be boring playing so few hands. your winrate is fine though.
btw what are your hand ranges for 10/5?? My guess is all PPs small limp, raise JJ+/AQ+, possibly AJ/99 in LP
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Either move up to 4x 100NL or learn to loosen up.
I think I'd rather paper-cut my penis a dozen times and have anal sex without a condom than play 8x 25NL that tight.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Either move up to 4x 100NL or learn to loosen up.
I think I'd rather paper-cut my penis a dozen times and have anal sex without a condom than play 8x 25NL that tight.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Either move up to 4x 100NL or learn to loosen up.
I think I'd rather paper-cut my penis a dozen times and have anal sex without a condom than play 8x 25NL that tight.
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lol @ fnord. to terry...i raise all pp's from all positions and AK/AQ and a bit more when opening from late position. honestly i'm a bit surprised by low pfr%. i guess i do lose some value from being bluffed a bit too often. and i don't get bored easily. i have no problem just sitting and waiting. i def. don't open in late position with as wide of a range as many others advocate. guess i'll see how 50nl treats me in a few weeks when i move up.
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lol @ fnord. to terry...i raise all pp's from all positions and AK/AQ and a bit more when opening from late position. honestly i'm a bit surprised by low pfr%. i guess i do lose some value from being bluffed a bit too often. and i don't get bored easily. i have no problem just sitting and waiting. i def. don't open in late position with as wide of a range as many others advocate. guess i'll see how 50nl treats me in a few weeks when i move up.
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i dont quite believe this, because that is my UTG range, and im ~10% pfr EP.
PPs+premium hands is 10-14%.
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not trying to self promote (i don't care who reads it or not really), but did you try out the ranges i outlined in my guide? I think they are pretty solid for full ring. If you are uncomfortable you can chill out with the blind steal attempts.
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lol @ fnord. to terry...i raise all pp's from all positions and AK/AQ and a bit more when opening from late position. honestly i'm a bit surprised by low pfr%. i guess i do lose some value from being bluffed a bit too often. and i don't get bored easily. i have no problem just sitting and waiting. i def. don't open in late position with as wide of a range as many others advocate. guess i'll see how 50nl treats me in a few weeks when i move up.
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i dont quite believe this, because that is my UTG range, and im ~10% pfr EP.
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now that i think about it i didn't open my range up to that til i'd already played like 3-4k hands so maybe that's the cause? i'm not lying though lol.
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not trying to self promote (i don't care who reads it or not really), but did you try out the ranges i outlined in my guide? I think they are pretty solid for full ring. If you are uncomfortable you can chill out with the blind steal attempts.
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i like your ranges renton. they do make me a bit uncomfy in the EP seats though and i'd def. have to get used to the crazy blind stealing. maybe i'll try it exactly for a bit though.
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Your stats are fine I think you would do better in higher limits with that style.
I play 25NL much looser at 25% vipip. I limp almost
any suited hands in passive tables. I raise any two at
late position and any pockets in all positions.
I think your missing some money because your win % @
showdown is so high. you got 16% of your hands in
showdowns. I think I got 25%-30% showdowns which I
win 53%.
You should steal blÃnds more about 30%.
You could also take more pots down without showdown.
Those lead to looser table image which leads to big pots
and higher winrate.
How is your position stats?
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I win the most on the button, 2nd most from HJ. After that it looks kinda random. Def. doesn't go in the preferred order.
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Your stats are fine I think you would do better in higher limits with that style.
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This is very encouraging
Also, I just realized one thing I don't do that most do...I don't play SC's unless I'm in the blinds. They've never shown themselves to be worth much to me no matter how I play them - limping, raising, multiway pots, HU pots, etc. I think this has a big affect on my VPIP%, and I should probably learn how to play them since I hear of people making lots off these hands...perhaps they are exaggerating?
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Grow a pair of balls and play KQ offsuit.
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Grow a pair of balls and play KQ offsuit.
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Grow a pair of balls and play KQ offsuit.
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OMG offsuit? I'd pass out before the flop came down.
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Thank you Renton.
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You actually wouldn't play KQo??? o_O
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Yesterday i netted 64 dollars in 25 NL playing 79Off.
I had 44 stack. Villain 1 (solid winning player)
had 40 stack & villain 2 (fish) had 24 stack.
I flopped str8 flop: 68T (different suits)
I betted 2, got raised to 10 dollars by Villain 1, Villain 2
called. I went all-in and both called.
Turn Q:
River Q:
This point I was so mad cause I was sure there was 1 set around at least.
Villain 1 had T8 (top 2pair he said he felt like gambling).
Villain 2 had TJ (top pair weak kicker with runner-runner
str8 draw 
My hands shaked a bit after collecting that pot
Point of my post is that I would have never collected
that pot if my table image was too tight. Villain 1 would
have putted me on set and folded. Fish might have called
anyway.
T.
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Cbet more. Take down more orphan pots. Get caught a couple of times and watch your action grow.
Seriously, you are only cbetting/raising/check-raising/ 37% of the time. That's too low. I wouldn't recommend taking it to my percentage, but at least 50%. Please....
Be willing to push some thinner edges. You are probably missing out on value at showdown.
11/5 will cream low levels, but any aware player or anyone with a HUD will get out of your way if you are in a pot. Feel free to use that to your advantage..... 
Winning at 5 ptBB/100 is pretty nice. You are solid, I know from playing with you a little bit. I bet you could bump that up to 7 or more by opening up both pre and postflop....
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I am wondering what people mean by 'open up' preflop.
My stats are very similar to Martin's and we both play the same site and stakes.
It is a very fishy site (PokerRoom skins) and there are a ton of calling stations. I prefer not to piss money away to these people postflop with mediocre holdings so I value bet all the way and make decent money that way.
However, in my session review it was suggested that I throw away too many reasonable hands that could at least be limped in early to mid position. KQo, ATo, QJo, JTo, suited connectors and the like. I just dump this stuff most of the time (on non-limpy tables) in EP cuz I'm folding it to a raise (mostly) anyway. And if it's a 3-way hand I'm not going to make much outta the hand anyway. I'm sure there is some value in 'stealing' postflop with these types of holdings...but most of the time I'll be check-folding the flop so I have previously considered such open-limping to be a waste of a quarter 
Is this type of limping in any way what people mean by loosening up? What about in late middle position or HJ-Button if there are no limpers? I would definitely open raise KQo, ATo in the HJ or beyond...but I don't tend to open limp most of these hands (maybe KQ) in MP or LP with no limpers before me...at best I would win a tiny blinds-only pot so I don't bother - especially when multi-tabling.
This is FR btw and not 6-max we're talking about - obviously those hands play a little differently at 6max.
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he just needs to open with more hands in middle to late position
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You actually wouldn't play KQo??? o_O
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::sigh::....it was a joke
turska - was your big hand "opening up your game" or a sb/bb special?
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I would advocate for caution...
Trying to model a different style or simply making major changes to your own style WHILE moving up in stakes is potentially dangerous, because if you hit negative variance it's difficult to know what the problem is.
I would think moving up in stakes first and keep your play the same. If you are at all concerned about playing at higher stakes, you'll want convince yourself that you can win at higher stakes first. Then I would suggest opening up your game, little by little. Opening up the types of starting hands you play is simple... learning how to play each post-flop is the real trick.
GL
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Turska
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Martin i limped in MP in passive table... You know those
kinds of tables at Ongame... Someone had made minraise
I think i called 50 cents preflop.
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Trying to model a different style or simply making major changes to your own style WHILE moving up in stakes is potentially dangerous, because if you hit negative variance it's difficult to know what the problem is.
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agreed. if i make any changes it will be while i'm at the current level. most likely though, i won't change a thing and see if i can beat the game when i move up.
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Your winning % at showdown seems to be really high, I think it might be because you fold to much to any aggression. There are some spots where you can call players down, although you will be wrong some of the time. This will lead to higher variance but having a better understanding of these spots might increase your profits. GL and nice stats.
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Your winning % at showdown seems to be really high, I think it might be because you fold to much to any aggression. There are some spots where you can call players down, although you will be wrong some of the time. This will lead to higher variance but having a better understanding of these spots might increase your profits. GL and nice stats.
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this is what i want to improve the most about my game. i know i get bluffed too often on the river, so i need to learn to call down a bit more.
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your stats are even nittier than me and lukie and ilikeaces
DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT?
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Either move up to 4x 100NL or learn to loosen up.
I think I'd rather paper-cut my penis a dozen times and have anal sex without a condom than play 8x 25NL that tight.
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Holy mother of God seriously sit here and imagine the feeling.
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Either move up to 4x 100NL or learn to loosen up.
I think I'd rather paper-cut my penis a dozen times and have anal sex without a condom than play 8x 25NL that tight.
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Holy mother of God seriously sit here and imagine the feeling. |
Hmmm...no thanks. I like my penis.
Uh ... that didn't come out quite right.
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My 25NL stats are almost exactly the same, just over a larger sample.
It's not meant to be offensive, (because I used it as a starter guide as well at this level), but you're playing AOK's 19 hands starting guide. This is great for learning how to play hands, but I think (especially being pretty regular around here and reading/responding to a lot of HH's), that you know how to play more hands than 19. If you incorporate suited connectors in middle/late position, suited gappers/unsuited gappers and unsuited connectors in late position and raise some trash on the CO and Button you're going to see about a 5-6% increase in VPIP and 2% in PFR.
The main thing is, you're winning. At 25NL I think it's very easy to get away with multitabling and playing this amount of hands..but to maintain winning at a higher level, I think you should get used to playing a few more hands preflop/postflop, especially before you move up (something I didn't really do, and my winning suffered).
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My 25NL stats are almost exactly the same, just over a larger sample.
It's not meant to be offensive, (because I used it as a starter guide as well at this level), but you're playing AOK's 19 hands starting guide. This is great for learning how to play hands, but I think (especially being pretty regular around here and reading/responding to a lot of HH's), that you know how to play more hands than 19. If you incorporate suited connectors in middle/late position, suited gappers/unsuited gappers and unsuited connectors in late position and raise some trash on the CO and Button you're going to see about a 5-6% increase in VPIP and 2% in PFR.
The main thing is, you're winning. At 25NL I think it's very easy to get away with multitabling and playing this amount of hands..but to maintain winning at a higher level, I think you should get used to playing a few more hands preflop/postflop, especially before you move up (something I didn't really do, and my winning suffered).
If you want to talk poker or stats or anything send me a PM or hit me up on AIM - SetzerMason.
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maybe my pre-flop range is similar to his strategy, but my pfr game and post-flop game aren't. i've added sc's to my game several times in the past and all they seem to do is raise my vpip/pfr #'s. they don't seem to make me money.
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Hell I do limp suited and unsuited connectors and sometimes gappers in LP in the right pots and I still have the same stats that you do lol...
my steal % is 17% so only slightly higher but I'm raising suited aces and kings and sometimes other shit from the HJ on if it's folded to me...particularly if I have tightish players to act behind me.
I have no clue how to get that VPIP up other than limping shit that I dump preflop in early and mid position...and doing that means i mostly check-fold flops a lot more even than i do now...
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10/5 against players with HUD probably wont give you a lot of action. i suppose your range is just large enough to pay off some of your hands. however i think opening up will get your made hands more $$ in the long run.
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