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LeFou
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10-13-2005, 10:55 PM
Post subject: Can you add in the guy behind you?
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So there's some PF raising and I see a flop with two others holding :Ah: :Qh:
Me: $55 or so
Opp1: $28 (this is the guy who raised)
Opp2: $10
pot: $11
Flop: :Kh:  
Opp1 bets $11 and I act before Opp2
So I don't have the odds but I'm certain Opp2 is going in. My ace could very well be live. Based on how Opp1 plays I wouldn't be surprised if my Q were live too. And if the river misses me Opp1 will only be able to bet $17 more into a $50 or so pot.
Is this callable? I find it weird because the short stakes make implied odds worse but effective odds better.
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aislephive
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Technichally I don't think you're getting the correct odds to make the call. Personally I'd gamble and try to hit the flush, but that's just me.
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CrunchyNuts
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Just to be quick about it, let's look at what you'd be getting if all their money was in the pot - and since you don't seem worried about opp2 winning, let's just assume he's dead money.
You'd have to put in 28 to win 11+10+28 = 49. You need to win that 28/49, or slightly over 50% of the time. If your A is live you're close. If your Q is live you're golden.
All assuming my fast mental math is goot - I have a pizza in the oven that might very well be burning right now.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by CrunchyNuts
Just to be quick about it, let's look at what you'd be getting if all their money was in the pot - and since you don't seem worried about opp2 winning, let's just assume he's dead money.
You'd have to put in 28 to win 11+10+28 = 49. You need to win that 28/49, or slightly over 50% of the time. If your A is live you're close. If your Q is live you're golden.
All assuming my fast mental math is goot - I have a pizza in the oven that might very well be burning right now.
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You were good 'til you got to "28/49"
Odds must be 49 to 28 or 1.75 to 1.
Your flush draw is about a 2 to 1 shot on the flop, so if your A is live you are fine, and even your backdoor straight draw gives you about the right odds to call.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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Fnord
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I would push.
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Demiparadigm
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Originally Posted by Fnord
I would push.
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I was really considering this.
You may be able to isolate #2 with a weak hand, or even win the hand straight out.
Since you are planning on calling anyway, Pushing gives you the best chance to win.
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To win in poker you only need to be one step ahead of your opponents. Two steps may be detrimental.
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LeFou
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i hadn't thought of that. I was looking for Opp2's stack to help out my odds for a turn call if I missed
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CrunchyNuts
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
You were good 'til you got to "28/49"
Odds must be 49 to 28 or 1.75 to 1.
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You think x to y, I think x%, both are correct ways of going about it. I did however forget to add in the player's bet to the denominator, it's 28/77 or ~36% chance required to be 0EV. That makes the situation much better with 2 cards to come. Push~
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