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bantam222
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08-16-2006, 06:38 PM
Post subject: Can it be +ev to call with air for info?
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 208
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If you are playing with people you see often, can it ever be +ev to call small bets with air just to see what they have?
Lets say you have a busted draw, and on the river you check and then get min. bet into. If you call you can find out if this is a "I have middle pair please call me with your bottem pair" or "I missed my draw too, but maybe you will fold" or "I have the freaking nuts I know you won't call a lot so I'm going to do this weak bet so I can win one more BB"
Oh yeah, and I suppose you could advertise your image of a calling station donk if you flip over jack high and say "oh damn I thought I was good"
Would this just be a leak in my game? Because sometimes people will make crazy betting paterns and I just have no idea what they could have. Like I bet the flop, they raise me, I call. check-check turn. I check river and they min. bet into me. Is this I flopped the nuts and want to get paid a little more, or I thought you were c-betting the flop but you called, but maybe you will fold to my river bet.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Straight Flush
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if someone raised the flop and then checked the turn it's probably a draw.... to the calling with air i don't mind that for one BB.
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Xanadu
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: st. paul, MO
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The more pots the opponent plays, the more you should consider this if it is very cheap. Since the odds of getting in a similar situation later go up the more hands opponent is involved in, the info is 3x as valuable against a 30% VPIP player than a 10%. Probably not worth it at all against a very tight player.
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bantam222
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 208
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I saw Daniel Negranu use this at some final table tourny, and at the time I was thinking chip spew, but then he went on to win the dam thing for 750k i believe. I just thought this was an interesting stratagy.
I know it isn't a good idea to model my play after the pros seen on TV especially if you are only seeing the hands where he check raises the guy all in with 5 high and pushes him off his AA, (well I suppose these sorts of moves become more necesary at the higher limits but not 25NL)
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aokrongly
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Full House
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midas06
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NZ
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if you're talking about at showdown, do you understand the definition of expected value?
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