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adrion
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High Card
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Bucharest, Romania
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great post....ive learned something usefull....thanks
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STR8M8
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your very welcome
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witl69
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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reading this posts kindly made my head spin when seeing all the endless possibilites to contemplate as a rule I dont like low pairs unless can limp in just too easy to get outdrawed with them
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mrholdem05
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One Pair
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 16
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i like to call alot of hands preflop with the small pair most of the time your a favoriot after the flop but you just dont know it so alot of time like if im a 3 to 1 chip lead on the person ill just push them in hope for the coin flip
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soccerkeeper
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 32
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lol ease up on the numbers rely on psychology
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Monty3038
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01-19-2009, 03:39 PM
Post subject: Re: Calling a pre-flop raise with the smaller pair
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#56 (permalink)
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Ohio
Posts: 788
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Originally Posted by Fnord
How much money needs to be left in both of your stacks for this to be profitable, assuming you can hit him up for lots of additional chips if you hit your set? Also assume you can't make the lay down if he makes his set too.
Odds of you not flopping a set if your opponent doesn't have one of your cards (safe assumption if you have 88 or lower)
46/48 = 0.95833333333333333333333333333333
45/47 = 0.95744680851063829787234042553191
44/46 = 0.95652173913043478260869565217391
Fnord, or someone, I'm with you so far... where does the next line come from, can you explain (like I didn't major or minor in math?)
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0.87765957446808510638297872340227
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Keith
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
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multiply them together or otherwise written (46*45*44)/(48*47*46)
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FSC1
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Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Groningen
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Thanks for the odds,Fnord
I will keep them in mind when I gaze at my low pair.
In early position I would probably raise. But in late position I call or even fold (depending on te situation on the table).
Maybe it´s all up to what you are willing to pay to see the flop.
So if I simplify you calculation. It pays 1 to 8.2 to see the flop.
After that there are to much factors.
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tanglelegs
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03-11-2009, 04:59 PM
Post subject: low pairs
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#59 (permalink)
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 25
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I think knowing your player and what he preflop raises on is the key but if i call and do not hit on flop i fold
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coozhound
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 28
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i dont know the numbers that well in poker but those tits that are 20 posts before this one are 38 DD and as far as betting you better hope he's not on a bigger set or your ass is sunk because its all in or fold at that point................RUFF
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<<<<<<JUST A TROLL LOOKING FOR A FREE BRIDGE TO CROSS>>>>>>
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PINGOCHO
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 4
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im gald i found this post....ill have it in mind on tomorrow's tourney =D
.....i think 10x isn't enough tho
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deuce_high
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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i thought we needed 15x the raise left in stacks just to set mine against a random hand.
We have a 1 in 8 chance of hitting a set and we basically double it for implied odds, and we have a 1 in 10 chance of our low pair, flopping a set and holding up against a higher pair (from what i understand from above), then i would have thought we'd need to double it for similar reasons, maybe even triple it becuase so many hands can beat a low pair.
So it would become the 30x rule for me, that is until we get an uber genious to solve this.
But generally if i have a low pair and there is heavy action then i'm out without a second thought, but this is just my 2nl thoughts here
regards
dh
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Xman
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Russia
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Thanks!
Very informative article!
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