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nossodo
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11-15-2005, 06:20 AM
Post subject: Calling to much in the blinds?
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I've read that in a pot with a couple of limpers it's ok to complete the small-blind with pretty much any 2 cards because of the good pot-odds. Same thing goes for heads-up. Is this correct?
If it's correct then it would also be correct if UTG min-raises and 2 or 3 other people cold call and you are in the big-blind. Same pot odds, only difference is that the other player showed some "strength". Should that be enough not to play "any" 2 cards.
The implied pot odds would be greater in the second case because you can be more sure to get action if you actually hit something.
My problem, as I suspect, is calling to often in the above 2 situations (which are both quite passive), when the pfr get's bigger I usually get tighter in the blinds.
Problem seems to be looking to much at pot-odds in passive games, limping to much and calling small bets, correct?
Comments?
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Miffed22001
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Dont call outthe blinds withany two imo. It was a huge leak in my game both full ring and 6max. For full ring id callwith any connectors/gappers/two gappers where the lowest card is higher than a 6 eg 98, 86, 97 or any two sOOted cards. Playing weak aces is a HUGE leak. If you cant raise your ace fold it, same with kings, queens and any other uncoordinated high cards.
If the pot is limped or i have some decent odds to call then play drawing hands that offer a decent chance of success not any two. It will probably mean you fold the blinds (sb especially) more often but it means when you call you will hit flops eventually.
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Irisheyes
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I play the exact same cards in the blinds as I would anywhere else. Simply because it keeps me out of trouble after the flop and makes disciplined play that little bit easier. I fold ATs in the small blind. Certainly completeing with any 2 is a huge leak in your game. If you want to play anything play high suited connectors with more then 3 limpers and a passive/tight guy on my left. Play them for straights and flushes and nothing else - that means no TPGK betting.
I wouldn't call a small raise from the big blind looking for a good flop. Your in early position which will make it hard to play your flush draw with an aggressive raiser acting after you. You most likely wont get odds to chase.
Be wary of UTG min-raises.
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r8ed
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I agree with Irisheyes about playing the same hands in the blinds. Definitely don't call raises with any two - only call with hands that you normally call raises with. If it's checked around - Ax, suited cons, any two suited, hands like JTo are the hands I most likely complete with. I was folding all those for a while but I think my image was way too tight. I'm most likely leaking some money playing these hands, but if I get can my image any looser, my real hands may get more action.
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jimilee82
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Join Date: Nov 2005
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In NL sometimes I will play back at a cutoff or button that opens because he IS most of the time wanting the blinds to fold. Of course it all depends on how I think the player is post flop. If the player is real loose and I dont feel I want to have to invest much money to win the hand, i'll give up my blind. If he is the type of player who needs to hit a hand to call or bet then I'll definately give him action occasionally. Definately not all the time but occasionally.
Interesting point on when someone raises early position and 3 or 4 callers afterwards. Im am of the theory that I really wont call a raise from someone who raised UTG no matter how many other people call without a hand I would normally call that UTG raiser heads up. He is who I am really thinking and worried about PF not the 3-4 callers. Keeps me out of trouble you know like TNS on a 974 board, what now since you are out of position. You bet he min raises and someone goes over the top, you now wasted your money. Anyways, many different schools of thought on that. I'd personally give up my blind if I don't have a hand, and wait until I have control of the hand. This is of course my ring game strategy, tournament play might be slightly different. Where ring game you can wait forever for the perfect opportunity, sometimes you cant afford that in tourney play.
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johnny_fish
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Im am of the theory that I really wont call a raise from someone who raised UTG no matter how many other people call without a hand I would normally call that UTG raiser heads up. He is who I am really thinking and worried about PF not the 3-4 callers.
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Early raises create great implied odds for hands which don't really require position postflop (PP, SCs).
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EricE
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People overvalue the fact that half the BB is already posted and complete with too many hands. You are OOP the rest of the hand so you are not going to be able to play it optimally. Being OOP, at times, can cost you a lot of money so you really don’t want to make a habit of playing out of the SB. A slansky book I read said to complete with any hand you would play in LP. That seems like a decent calling strat to use since you have the same type of info as LP when you call.
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johnny_fish
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Complete with any hand you would limp in EP. Then add a few hands because of discounted price, and the knowledge that you probably won't face a raise preflop.
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jimilee82
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
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Im am of the theory that I really wont call a raise from someone who raised UTG no matter how many other people call without a hand I would normally call that UTG raiser heads up. He is who I am really thinking and worried about PF not the 3-4 callers.
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Early raises create great implied odds for hands which don't really require position postflop (PP, SCs). |
I see what you are saying, and I totally agree, in no limit I would call and UTG raise with SC's and small PP's occasionally and even more so with more callers and I consider myself to be pretty tight, I am more talking about hands that I see shown down from other players stating that they had pot odds to call with J2s, K4o, 52o, hands like this I will not call regardless of how many people are in the pot generally.
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Irisheyes
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Originally Posted by johnny_fish
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Im am of the theory that I really wont call a raise from someone who raised UTG no matter how many other people call without a hand I would normally call that UTG raiser heads up. He is who I am really thinking and worried about PF not the 3-4 callers.
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Early raises create great implied odds for hands which don't really require position postflop (PP, SCs). |
PPs yes definitly, you either set or you don't. SCs I dont agree because the only time your not going to need to utalise position is when you flop a straight or flush. This wont happen often enough to make calling a raise (even multiway) profitable. Most of the time your going to playing a draw which is made more difficult by the fact that your OOP.
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