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Anosmic
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07-27-2006, 09:45 AM
Post subject: Call here?
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Full House
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Easy call, right?
Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($36.37)
SB ($5.45)
Hero ($25.00)
UTG ($25.00)
UTG+1 ($11.68)
MP1 ($17.10)
MP2 ($9.85)
MP3 ($29.70)
CO ($11.40)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , Q . SB posts a blind of $0.10. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, CO calls $0.25, Button raises to $0.9, SB (poster) calls $0.80, Hero calls $0.65, UTG calls $0.65, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $0.65, CO folds.
Flop: ($5) A, J, 9 (5 players)
SB bets $4.55, Hero calls $4.55?
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midas06
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I prefer raising
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Anosmic
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Yeah. I dunno. Maybe.
I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...
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TLR
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12 out, 50% to win if you see both cards, I think I raise
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...
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Imo it's the other way around.. a push/raise here is good if it will most likely get a fold..
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Thee One
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Straight
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Originally Posted by jackvance
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...
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Imo it's the other way around.. a push/raise here is good if it will most likely get a fold.. |
Actually, either way I'm happy. There is no guarentee that the flush isn't already made, also no guarentee you'll hit your outs. But contrarily you have a good shot at making best hand so you have plenty of outs to both the nuts and second nuts if you get called. In a situation like this, I think I a push gains you the max amount of FE and the max amount of value for your hand. It's win/win.
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andy-akb
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The SB is all in and we only have a draw so we are going to have to get to showdown. Becuase of this should we be calling trying to get an overcall? A push is going to get folds most likely and we cant really make many other raises. Do we want to isolate a shortstack AI who probably has atleast a pair when we only have a draw?
To the people advocating a raise, what would we make it?
Also, is it too weak/tight to advocate folding PF here? We have a marginal holding and are OOP in a raised pot with a hand that is easily dominated and the pot is likely to be very multiway.
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Anosmic
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I think in the position any raise has to be a push. I agree that any raise is likely to get folds (although this may be because I saw what happened).
So I thought easy call, if anyone pushes then I can happily call. I think the pot is even big enough that if anyone else calls I can push on any turn that doesn't pair the board. Maybe even then...
Folding PF is a definite option. Especially after SB calls. But laying down the blind again when I have reasonable cards seems a bit weak.
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chardrian
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I rarely,if ever, get pms
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
But laying down the blind again when I have reasonable cards seems a bit weak.
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There's a difference between defending your blinds heads up versus a more obvious steal attempt and defending just because you finally got decent cards.
Without a read, I fold preflop there.
As played - I call the flop bet - you don't wanna isolate here, you want people in the pot with you so if you do hit you really get paid off.
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andy-akb
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by jackvance
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Originally Posted by Anosmic
I think I want people in. I'd push if I thought I'd get a call...
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Imo it's the other way around.. a push/raise here is good if it will most likely get a fold.. |
If the SB wasnt AI I would agree with this, but he is so we are going to go to showdown if we dont fold.
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