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RunrRunrBeat
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05-05-2010, 04:18 AM
Post subject: Was this call correct or horrible?
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High Card
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Preflop, I have 3h4s in sb and complete after the button open limps. BB calls.
Flop is A56 all spades. I check, bb checks button makes a pot sized bet. Is a call correct with such a weak flush draw to go along with the OE straight draw?
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narcoticrex
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One Pair
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RunrRunrBeat
Preflop, I have 3h4s in sb and complete after the button open limps. BB calls.
Flop is A56 all spades. I check, bb checks button makes a pot sized bet. Is a call correct with such a weak flush draw to go along with the OE straight draw?
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easy fold for me, no point in even messing with that...this is coming from a fish.
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PlayToWin
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RunrRunrBeat
Preflop, I have 3h4s in sb and complete after the button open limps. BB calls.
Flop is A56 all spades. I check, bb checks button makes a pot sized bet. Is a call correct with such a weak flush draw to go along with the OE straight draw?
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Easy fold for me as well. I just tell myself that even if I hit the str8, I'm crushed by the flush. And If I hit the weak flush, I'm also crushed and spewing chips.
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Keith
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Full House
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fold pre. What are you looking to hit to win the hand? And if you do get a good flop are they likely to pay you off when they limped in and a flop thats good for you is likely to miss them.
Also what stakes are we talking here and 6max or FR. What are the opponents stack sizes so that we can work out if you had the odds to call and draw to a straight now that you got a good flop. Having said that, this is where playing pre incorrectly sets you up to potentially lose a big pot. If you hit your straight someone may already have the flush,hit the flush and someone may have a better flush.
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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add me to the fold pre and c/f flop group. your hand doesn't play well even multiway, which this pot is not, and you are OOP for all 4 streets. i think c/f flop because you have only have 4 high with 6 outs to a straight that may be not even be the best hand when you make it.
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EasyPoker
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add me to the fold pre group too
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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i'll elaborate a bit. there are 8 cards out of 47 unknown cards in the deck which make your straight, so you make a straight on the turn 8/47= 17% of the time, or roughly one out of six times (or 5:1 against hitting). you are getting immediate pot odds of 2:1, so when you call you need to make 3 units of the flop bet off your opponent on the turn in order for the play to be breakeven (you are getting 2:1 pot odds and you are 5:1 against making a straight, the difference between 2 and 5 is 3). however, only 6 of your straight outs don't make 4 cards to a flush on the board. so you make a flush without 4 spades on the board 6/47=12% (roughly 8:1 against), making it even harder to breakeven with your call. whats more, some of the time you call and hit your straight but your opponent already has a flush. hopefully you can see now why calling has a negative expectation.
ps for a far more accurate and clearly-explained version of this, search the forums for a post by spoonitnow about implied odds
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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"About Pot Odds and Implied Odds when playing draws" is the name of the thread, if you're interested. it's in the beginners circle digest
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kiwiMark
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I like the two options presented in the title....am I a fucking retard orrrrr can you guys plz tell me this was okay
disclaimer I've been drinkng
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RunrRunrBeat
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High Card
Join Date: May 2009
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99% of the time I fold this pre and never question it. Lately, I have been experimenting with playing straight cards when I think someone is weak. Even at that, without being suited and with my tremendous position(sarcasm) I would normally still fold quickly. This was in a live MTT and I had just won a big pot. I was stacking my chips, and out of the corner of my eye, I caught what appeared to be uncertainty from the button. I really had intentions of trying a bluff on the flop. After the flop, I didn't want to lead to represent the flush and then get raised and have to fold.
The pot sized bet was a bit strange to me. If he already had a flush, I would have thought he would have bet 1/2 the pot or less. Because of a previous hand with the guy, and this bet, I was pretty sure he had a scared A. The thing is, I really don't like folding here. I am almost certain he has an A. If I miss my non flushing strt on the turn or if a spade hits and he bets big, it's easy to lay down.
Aside from the opinion that this should have been folded preflop, I take it that most think that the odds of hitting the straight is not worth this call even with the confidence that I had in my read?
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eberetta1
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One Pair
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IF you are chasing a straight, and there is a possible made flush already on the board, I think a newbie can figure this one is a fold.
I mean, best that can happen to you is your 2s or 7s comes up, but it is a spade. So if four spades are on the board are you gonna stay in or fold. You really think a 4 of spade can hold up. Lose a few of these hands on your own and these questions will answer themselves over time.
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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fold pre
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