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EthanH1
Old 06-01-2006, 06:40 PM     Post subject: was this a call? #1 (permalink)  
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no real reads serpie26 is pretty loose A/A

***** Pacific Hand History for Game 123359153 *****
$0.12/$0.25 Blinds No Limit Hold'em - *** 06 01 19:20:34 2006
Table Quintero Medias Coronas (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: MrHoegh ( $13.15 )
Seat 1: boergha ( $12.03 )
Seat 2: mjpp68 ( $23.88 )
Seat 3: trav12d ( $27.39 )
Seat 4: EthanH25 ( $59.1 )
Seat 5: kappero ( $24.22 )
Seat 6: obi54 ( $23.01 )
Seat 7: Odrike ( $46.35 )
Seat 8: spinda ( $26.83 )
Seat 9: Serpie26 ( $38.87 )
kappero posts small blind [$0.12].
obi54 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EthanH25 [ 8h 9h ]
Odrike calls [$0.25].
spinda folds.
Serpie26 calls [$0.25].
MrHoegh calls [$0.25].
boergha folds.
mjpp68 raises [$1].
trav12d calls [$1].
EthanH25 calls [$1].
kappero folds.
obi54 folds.
Odrike folds.
Serpie26 calls [$0.75].
MrHoegh folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 7c, 5h ]
Serpie26 checks.
mjpp68 bets [$2].
trav12d folds.
EthanH25 calls [$2].
Serpie26 raises [$7.5].
mjpp68 calls [$5.5].
EthanH25 calls [$5.5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
Serpie26 bets [$30.37].
mjpp68 calls [$15.38].
EthanH25 ??????

i feltt that when i called the turn i should go all the way with this hand as that the call/fold point, and the odds and pots are there too.

need some good advice
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AHiltz
Old 06-01-2006, 06:54 PM #2 (permalink)  
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You have a strong draw, but your odds to win are only good if you see 2 cards. With 2 people calling the flop and the pot swelling, any bet by the villan is likely going to be push or fold for you.
Pushing or folding are better than calling here.
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EthanH1
Old 06-01-2006, 06:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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sorry when talking about the call/fold point i ment that it should of been the flop with the re-raise, then i think i should of been pushin or folding here (my call was bad), and left me in trouble with a dission to make on the turn having seen one chance at my outs gone.
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Thee One
Old 06-01-2006, 09:43 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Your call doesn't matter. You don't have any fold equity. You can go AI and both people will call. You're most probably up against TPTK and a set here. They aren't folding unless that 3rd flush card hits. Not to you anyway.

The other possibility is you're against two sets KK and a 77 or 55. Which again means no one is folding this hand.

Your call of the re-raise wasn't bad. The chance to bust both of the opps was worth that bet. But not the AI one.

My advice is to fold the turn. You have one card left to complete your draw and now face a bet for 3/4 of your stack. Both opps have you beat and if your flush card pairs the board, at least one will still have you beat. Pick a better spot. There are better edges to exploit.
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ark4748
Old 06-01-2006, 10:01 PM #5 (permalink)  

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Originally Posted by Thee One
Your call doesn't matter. You don't have any fold equity. You can go AI and both people will call. You're most probably up against TPTK and a set here. They aren't folding unless that 3rd flush card hits. Not to you anyway.

The other possibility is you're against two sets KK and a 77 or 55. Which again means no one is folding this hand.
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All the more reason to push or fold. If you're outs are clean and you see 2 cards, you are a 45% chance to hit. You want them both to come along to get 3 to 1 on your money, which you wont get if the third flush card hits. Also, you know that they arent going to give you a free turn card, which is all the more reason to push now instead of just calling
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EthanH1
Old 06-02-2006, 04:16 PM #6 (permalink)  
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ok i folded the turn here, regretting not pushing the flop and just calling, having seen one of my outs dissaper i felt id played it bad enough to just get out there and did'nt feel confident enough to call the all-in and Thee one was spot on the his read of two sets so pushing the flop was a garantted to be called by both and a better play here i think. thanks for the reposenes
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