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clvacva
Old 09-12-2009, 05:09 AM     Post subject: BVB get 3bet on flop 158bbs deep #1 (permalink)  
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This villain 28/21 and was 3betting 18% and was only folding 40 percent to 3bets. I 3bet him once and he 4bet me I folded. In another hand I squeezed cuz he flatted an UTG open put him on some weak pair he calls and c/r me. Also was stealing every opportunity in bvb.
Guy was annoying me :P
So I was gonna 3bet pre but he would expect that cuz he was stealing a lot. So I decided to call and maybe try to make some kind of move. His range is like any pair any broadway a bunch of connectors any ace lots of hands.

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
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Stacks:
UTG RomanWSZ ($56.45)
UTG+1 Chrumcajs ($21.80)
CO v1cious ($27.75)
BTN StArCuE ($25.00)
SB dapunisher1 ($38.80)
BB Hero ($43.10)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB
4 folds, dapunisher1 raises to $1, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($2, 2 players)
dapunisher1 bets $1.50, Hero raises to $3.75, dapunisher1 raises to $10, $6.25 to Hero ($38.35)?

So he cbets which he is doing with all his range that includes made hands,draws and air.

So I raise. If I take it down cool, if he calls I can double barrel since he will call with Jx,99,TT,9T therefore I could bet any brick on the turn. I raised too small I THINK. Which leads too......

Him 3betting me . So he can be doing this with AJ a set or a draw. Plus the small raise on the flop does look like I am just FOS

Oh and I was playing 33/23 and he had seen me raise with some questionable hands and had seen me go all in with draws on the flop.

Anyways when he 3bets and since he has seen me play a wide range and I made that small raise I assume he could be doing this with just two overs Jx or weak made hand plus other draws. Against this range 88+,22,AJs+,AcTc,Ac8c,KcQc,KJs,QJs,J8s+,T9s,AJo+,K Jo+,QJo,J8o+,T9o
I am 40/60.
Some questions? Because we are deep is raising better or just calling vs his cbet?
Now do I raise or fold? I think I still have some FE due to my him probably not putting in 150bbs with just a pair.
Thanks in advance........
oh yeah fold pre
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:31 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 preflop is a great spot to run the ABCD theorem to figure out how you're gonna exploit this guy's tendancies
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:44 AM #3 (permalink)  
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could you elaborate surviva
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A) TT+ AQ+ KQs
B) AT-AJ QJ/KJ/JT/66-99
C)65s 22-55 K9 QT suited A2-A9
D) trash
SO stack of with A range. Call with B range. Raise with C as bluffs and fold the trash.
Hmmm 43 falls in Cish/D but I played it like B
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:54 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 Well given everything you mentioned preflop is a great spot to fold.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:36 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I have to ask you what you were trying to accomplish by raising the flop here? Just calling his c bet is fine. Your draw is not very strong (no overs, very low flush) and you are up against a very aggressive player.

As played I would call his raise here on the flop and fold to a decent turn bet. You probably dont have as much FE on a shove as you think. His flop 3 bet looks foreal as he is OOP and still pumping money in to the pot so you have enough implied odds on the call.
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Oh and micro.. What is a SPLARM??! lol
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Well my raise is to get him to fold obviously. Anyways I don't like calling because if I hit I doubt he will pay me off. Plus my range here is like JJ+ KQcc/AcKc/9cTc/88/22/J8 he should fold
oh shit thats his range

anyways I shove he calls with AQo I hit my 4 on the river
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:29 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Well my raise is to get him to fold obviously. Anyways I don't like calling because if I hit I doubt he will pay me off. Plus my range here is like JJ+ KQcc/AcKc/9cTc/88/22/J8 he should fold
oh shit thats his range

anyways I shove he calls with AQo I hit my 4 on the river
If hes this bad hes probably not worrying about ranges hehe
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Well my raise is to get him to fold obviously. Anyways I don't like calling because if I hit I doubt he will pay me off. Plus my range here is like JJ+ KQcc/AcKc/9cTc/88/22/J8 he should fold
oh shit thats his range

anyways I shove he calls with AQo I hit my 4 on the river
He's not folding given your image/history. Your range doesn't have AK in it because with your dynamic you're going to be 3bet/jamming pre, same with JJ+. You have KcQc-3c2c,88,22,J8s,T9 and random bluffs though this board is bad for random bluffs so I wouldn't weigh them in there very significantly when facing your raise.

Since it's unlikely you have JJ or overpairs, you're repping like 6 set combo's and the rest of your range is air/draws so I think 3bet-semi bluffing you here on this flop is a good play by villain, though maybe not considering he's got a spewy image.

I think you might get more credit for a float here because you can credibly rep Jx which has significantly more combinations than the sets since I doubt you're going to raise flop/stack off with. Getting 3bet on this flop pretty much sucks horribly when you have the 2nd worse possible flush draw because you're going to be dominted against his 3bet range way too often (I think).
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:48 AM #10 (permalink)  
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I agree with his 3bet range having me crushed more often than not. I got really lucky

Thanks for replying micro2macro
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