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LazyAce
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11-19-2005, 03:44 PM
Post subject: buying in low at multiple tables
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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this thought just came to mind, after reading an article on mike caro's site about not rebuying yet, when short stacked. He states that being short stacked can be profitable because when you go all-in you are usually getting good pot odds because of blinds, limps and any raises before you push AI in relation to your stack, and you are guaranteed to see a show down. Also, a lot of times players will be pushed out of the pot, and unable to draw out on you often leaving you in a heads up situation against a lot of hands like AA, KK, AK. Even though you will be an underdog to these hands most of the time, you will still be getting pot odds of 4:1 a lot of the time no?
I dont really like the idea of playing multiple tables, but in this situation i think it could be easily pulled off because you dont have to be worried about being outplayed by somebody when you enter a pot becuz its all or nothing. Thoughts?
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Pelion
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I hate it.
If you are worried about being outplayed everytime when you enter a pot move down in stakes until you can win and learn until you are good enough and BR enough to play higher stakes.
Im sure you make as much playing $5 at 5NL than $5 at 25NL because the players are so much worse, and you certainly get less varience.
you are also more likely to learn faster as you are actually playing flops.
In short... pfffff
If on the other hand you have just lost alot then it might be profitable to go allin straight away on a good hand (QQ+) because someone might think you tilted and call with KQ , 22 or something. Id rather take a break and come back with a full stack when im ready or just rebuy and carry if im feeling ok about it.
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Irisheyes
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11-19-2005, 04:43 PM
Post subject: Re: buying in low at multiple tables
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by LazyAce
this thought just came to mind, after reading an article on mike caro's site about not rebuying yet, when short stacked. He states that being short stacked can be profitable because when you go all-in you are usually getting good pot odds because of blinds, limps and any raises before you push AI in relation to your stack,
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As long as everyone folds to your push. If they have good cards they wont and you go in behind.
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and you are guaranteed to see a show down.
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Theres nothing good about being involved in lots of showdowns.
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Also, a lot of times players will be pushed out of the pot, and unable to draw out on you often
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A solid raise (from a full stack) will accomplish this too without commiting your whole (short) stack.
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Even though you will be an underdog to these hands most of the time, you will still be getting pot odds of 4:1 a lot of the time no?
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I doubt it.
Lets look at an example.
You are Button. 3 limpers before you and a 5bb raise. You have a 20bb stack (bought in short) and you push with AQ. Limpers and blinds fold, raiser calls.
Now, when you pushed the pot was 9bb, you pushed in 20bb and raiser called 15bb. Total pot: 44bb. So basically you put in 20bb with a chance to win 24bb. This is a little better then 1:1 with no implied odds.
I think I'm thinking about this right, correct me if I'm wrong.
Why not just play hands where you are ahead of your opponents and fold when your not?
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I dont really like the idea of playing multiple tables,
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Its easy once you get used to it a bit. Start with one and keep adding when you feel ready.
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but in this situation i think it could be easily pulled off because you dont have to be worried about being outplayed by somebody when you enter a pot becuz its all or nothing. Thoughts?
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Usually its me who is outplaying the other people I play with. When I wasn't I read and practiced untill it was.
Theres some bits of this post I dont really follow but I guess my main point is that learning to play poker is more profitable then trying to play without ever learning. So just do it. If you want to gamble play the lotto. 
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Irisheyes
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4-of-a-Kind
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Also this way of "playing" will have huge varience.
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Jimmy Mac
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Join Date: May 2005
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A good thread on this topic: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...pic.php?t=1406
I tried this ages ago but i got bored after a few hours. This is one way to abuse poor 25NL opponents, but there are others 
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TalentedTom
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Mike Caro is a loser, I saw his video on reads, his advice is good, but he does not sound like an intelligent man.
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Tom.S
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Fnord
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Mike Caro is a loser, I saw his video on reads, his advice is good, but he does not sound like an intelligent man.
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He's a very bright guy, he just comes off as a goof and has learned to run with it. However, it's certainly quite possible that online he would fall back into the middle of the pack. Put him in a live game with weak players and very few people could match his earn. One of the masters of exploitive play.
His 5 card draw chapter in Super System 1 is a great read even if you don't ever play a hand of five card draw. I love the way he thinks through poker problems.
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