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    In 9max fr NL Hold-em would hands like K9s, Q8s always be playable from the BTN? If there were several people limped in behind, or if there was a raise etc? Or are they hands that should be left out of my range unless I am opening from the BTN?
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    This is in the wrong section sorry

    mod edit: moved it for you
    Last edited by Keith; 04-03-2015 at 03:57 AM.
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    You need to ask more specific questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFerguson91 View Post
    In 9max fr NL Hold-em would hands like K9s, Q8s always be playable from the BTN?
    Only AA is "always playable." No other hand definitely has at least 0EV against all possible Villain ranges and bet amounts.

    Everything else has to do with evaluating the current situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFerguson91 View Post
    If there were several people limped in behind, or if there was a raise etc?
    Treat all limps as though they were a fold when deciding to play a hand.
    Never limp.

    Treat all raises as a person with a range made a bet of XXX into a pot of YYY.
    You are IP/OOP on this opponent, and there are Z people left to act behind you.
    The stack size of the raiser is AAAA, and the stacks of the other Villains left to act are BBB, CCC, ...
    If I raise GGG and Villains B, C, ... call / raise, what do I plan?
    If I raise GGG and Villains B, C, ... fold, but A 4-bets, what do I plan?

    (by no meas meant to be a conclusive example, just a demonstration of some of the many factors at play)

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFerguson91 View Post
    Or are they hands that should be left out of my range unless I am opening from the BTN?
    Practically... usually... those hands are great to b/f for stealing blinds.

    BUT - I'm making a lot of assumptions about all that stuff I said above.
    It's that stuff above that dictates whether a hand is playable
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    Yeah, in poker it is hard to make generalizations. Often the correct answer is "sometimes." If you can post some button hand histories then we can give more specific feedback.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFerguson91 View Post
    In 9max fr NL Hold-em would hands like K9s, Q8s always be playable from the BTN? If there were several people limped in behind, or if there was a raise etc? Or are they hands that should be left out of my range unless I am opening from the BTN?
    I guess you are still playing 2NL. In those levels don't try to steal blinds, people will always pay you with junk. You will do much better if you only play really tight and for value in 2NL. Speculative hands should be played in higher levels where you have people who actually think what they do, and if they see you are playing an abc tight game they will exploit you. But on 2NL I would say its not much worth it to play hands like suited connectoris or semi conencted hands, just play tight and aggresive.
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    well it really depends on your skill level ... if you have an decent edge you can open up your game from co and btn
    generally when players limp it means they are bad so you can really destroy them in position ... just thin value bet the s*** out of them
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    At 2NL I try not to steal too often. Too many bingo donkey that will call with anything. I just try to play ABC poker and win small pots as they come. If I'm at a table for a long time and my image is very tight, then I will open up my range. That's when I can get away with stealing a pot every now and then.
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    IDK where do you play my friend ... but I think that you are missing great value if you know what you are doing by not stealing in position a lot at nl2... I am doing challenge to make 10 bi per stake and I already beat nl2,nl5 fairly quickly... Being in position against players that do not have fundamental understanding of the game is so great that you can really open up a lot and print money.
    If we are talking about ABC poker we should still open wide in these positions like 45% + of hands.. esp as you are not gonna get 3bet not even nearly enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by micro4life View Post
    esp as you are not gonna get 3bet not even nearly enough
    Yeah, my late position range gets pretty wide when:
    1. The blinds don't 3bet.
    2. The blinds fold to cbets.
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    Depending on stacks and limps number before your action, you can choose to give a raise to try to play against only one player in post- flop and take it on the flop with a continuation bet.

    Already in cases that there were raises before, I do not think it was a good play Q8 or K9 by value, they are not such good hands , but already you are on the button , you can apply a float or 3bet -light
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    Cheers guys, it's definately a hand within my stealing range, but if there was any early raisers before me it would be chucked in the bin

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