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Old 01-16-2010, 10:41 PM     Post subject: Bottom set on monotone flop #1 (permalink)  
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This was about 5 minutes into the session, and I only have 6 hands on my opponent during this particular hand. I don't have much of a table image at this point.

The range I'm putting him on is after his PFR is: 33+, 78s+, Ax+, Kx+, Axs+, Kxs+

Basically any pp, any ace, any king, and mid-high connected cards..

After my 62 hands with opponent I see he's running more like 18 VPIP and 6 PFR

I know there are plenty of threads on calling all in shoves, but I have a hard time calculating my equity against specific ranges because I'm on a mac and don't have pokerstove. On a side note: Can anyone recommend a pokerstove equivalent or any easy fix to use the software?

Obviously I don't like seeing the monotone flop in this situation, but there are a lot of hands in his range that I beat.

If he checks back the flop, I'm leading out with a PSB on turn.

On the turn, folding to his raise is obv an option, but again how much of the time is he doing this with 4-flushes, TP, 2pair, overpairs?

Is my thinking off? Bet sizing/aggression/calling off? Is this a ZOMG CaNt LaY DoWn mY SeT spot?

Thanks in advance for any input. Please let me know if more info's needed.

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Old 01-16-2010, 10:46 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Thanks.
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Old 01-16-2010, 10:49 PM #3 (permalink)  
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($10.15)
CO ($5.55)
Villain (Button) ($21.15)
SB ($10.80)
BB ($27.45)
UTG ($15.15)
UTG+1 ($9.50)
Hero (MP1) ($9.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 2, 2
2 folds, Hero calls $0.10, 2 folds, Villain bets $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.95) 2, 3, 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, Villain calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.55) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Villain raises to $8, Hero calls $5.60 (All-In)

River: ($19.75) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $19.75 | Rake: $0.95
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Old 01-16-2010, 11:58 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Seems fine other than the open limp PF.
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Old 01-17-2010, 02:03 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 Raise more on the flop.
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Rule # 1: don't ask questions

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I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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Old 01-17-2010, 08:28 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Raise more on the flop.
Leaving about one bet behind is fine. It's not like he's folding.
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Old 01-17-2010, 12:32 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Raise more on the flop.
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Old 01-17-2010, 03:17 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Seems fine other than the open limp PF.
Thanks for the response.

I know open limping is about the most taboo, rule breaker around these parts.

Seems lately like I've been having a lot of success limp/calling small shitty pocket pairs, say 22-88 from EP-MP. If I pick up a hand like this in later positions, I'm raising, but my plan from EP-MP is to limp, call one raise if opponent(s) stack(s) are big enough, and fold to any 3bets, unless I've got a good read somewhere.

If I don't hit my set, I'm playing cautiously and ready to trash the hand to any aggression. I'll continue if opponent seems weak.

And if I hit my set, I'm playing it fast, although hands like above are scary/shitty spots.
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Old 01-17-2010, 03:25 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Raise more on the flop.
Raise more, like 4-5.5x so I can open shove the turn? Or raise more, like c/r shove the flop?

Am I losing value scaring away weaker, shittier hands and only getting called by big overpairs (obv good thing), bigger sets or better (bad..)?

In this particular spot, if villain just calls my turn bet I guess I shut down on any club river, but would it be correct to shove it in to any other cards? Check/calling off all my chips seems bad.
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:42 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Raise more on the flop.
Raise more, like 4-5.5x so I can open shove the turn? Or raise more, like c/r shove the flop?

Am I losing value scaring away weaker, shittier hands and only getting called by big overpairs (obv good thing), bigger sets or better (bad..)?

In this particular spot, if villain just calls my turn bet I guess I shut down on any club river, but would it be correct to shove it in to any other cards? Check/calling off all my chips seems bad.
You should raise more on the flop to set up an easy turn shove and to give worse odds to bare flush draws. Then you don't have to worry about playing the river.
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I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.

Rule # 1: don't ask questions

Rule # 2: don't ask questions

I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
 
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Old 01-17-2010, 06:54 PM #11 (permalink)  
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bet more on the turn
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Old 01-17-2010, 07:58 PM #12 (permalink)  
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I value shove the flop a lot in these spots.. a ton of his range calls you here.. overpairs and any kind of big FD will call here a lot.

You don't want to raise small like you did and chance peeling a scare card for both of you. Getting the action killed while holding a set sucks.
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Old 01-17-2010, 08:18 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 I like a 2.20ish raise on the flop. Then you can shove the turn without much problem. If he's already got the flush then you are boned anyway but do have a redraw to the FH. That said, raise PF with all PP.
[00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
[00:30] <DC> daven
[00:30] <DC> on my hand?
[00:30] <daven> yep
[00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
[00:30] <daven> nice reason
[00:30] <daven> no further questions
[00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

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