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mimmons775
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01-23-2005, 01:05 AM
Post subject: Bluffing
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Does anyone have any good tips on how to succeed at online bluffing?
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"I guess if there wasnt luck involved id win everyone."
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
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Haha, DOn't!
THey'll call u with nething!
Can't bluff a bad player...
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mimmons775
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 92
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You can bluff a good player in the higher limits
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"I guess if there wasnt luck involved id win everyone."
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
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W311 th3n you already know everything about bluffing.
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pokerspieler
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I agree. Impossible to bluff at low or medium stake poker. Unless you are playing against a GOOD player.
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mimmons775
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 92
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thats the whole point to my post, are there any tips to bluffing at a high limit with good players
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"I guess if there wasnt luck involved id win everyone."
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Well this post is rather discombobulated at the moment, let's try to send it in the right track.
First of all, you will struggle to bluff anyone in anything lower than .50/1 NL, so don't bluff at these low limits.
Bluffing is art, I think it's really all about a gut feeling. But there are some mathematical ways to figure out when to bluff.
For example, if a player is betting the pot on every street, so you assume that he has top pair or top two pair, and then a 4 flush or a 4 straight on the river hits, and he slows down and doesn't bet as much, maybe even checks, then you have a perfect opportunity to rep the 4 straight / 4 flush and bet him out.
This is just one example of how to bluff, I hope this helps.
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JeffreyGB
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
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I wholeheartedly disagree about not being able to bluff in the lower limits. I'm currently playing at the .05/.10 and .10/.25 tables and I'm able to pull off well executed bluffs fairly frequently. Here are some tips:
Make it look like you have some other specific card. You know when you have second pair and you check around the table the first time to feel everyone else out? Try doing it with nothing. Check around the first time and if no one bets, raise a standard amount on the turn. Alternatively, play it conservatively until a major and obvious draw card hits (i.e. a heart with 2 or more hearts on the table, the board pairing low cards, an obvious straight, etc.). One thing that's almost certainly key is to let people see you playing a winning hand or three while betting exactly the same way you're going to bluff. I've even managed to make tables scared of my min-raise (by twice in a short time holding a monster, min-raising 'til someone re-raised and then betting so much that it looked like a bluff...they call or raise me all-in and I just smile as I pile up their money...then a few hands later when I have crap and min-raise, everyone who was there for the former hands folds).
In much shorter form: it's all about building the right table image and then being able to read your table. At any limit.
- Jeffrey
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Originally Posted by JeffreyGB
I wholeheartedly disagree about not being able to bluff in the lower limits. I'm currently playing at the .05/.10 and .10/.25 tables and I'm able to pull off well executed bluffs fairly frequently.
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I wasn't saying that bluffing NEVER works at these limits, it is just much more dangerous to do than at the higher limits. Much more often you get the idiot calling you down with bottom pair.
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montimus
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Straight
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 154
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The bottom line here is, in ring games just don't do it. The vast majority of online players are very weak players...and those are the types of players you just don't want to bluff...they'll play any two cards at any time for any amount...those are the players you want to have a hand against so you can bust them.
Now, in tournaments, sure, you can pick a few spots and bluff. But it's just not worth it.
Most pros will tell you the same...against weak players to typically need the gods...
I can only think of a few very rare cases where I'll bluff at low stakes(.25/.50 NL-2/4 NL).
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JeffreyGB
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
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It's definitely safer to just never bluff. One of my downswings came almost exclusively from bluffing too often. That said, I stand behind my former statement: If you know your table and have the proper image, you should be able to pick up on some golden bluffing opportunities. Don't do it often, but a few times a session can be enough to add a few extra bucks to your roll every time you play - in my book quite worth it, though once again, you have to KNOW your table and when/why they'll fold.
- Jeffrey
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Humphrind
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Kansas City
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You can bluff at .01/.02 tables. It's a matter of knowing who you against. You cannot bluff into a calling station. But you can bluff into a passive player when they jsut have a high card on the turn, or river.
In lower limits, you may want to hold off on bluffing. But don't give it up. Just wait for the opportunities, and the come fewer and further between.
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I don't know what they have to say
It makes no difference anyway.
Whatever it is...
I'm against it.
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