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bluf with AK river an A
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TheLongGrind
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10-29-2011, 05:08 PM
Post subject: bluf with AK river an A
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Belgium
Posts: 248
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villain is a 24/10 75 hands opened 5% in EP so far , no data on fold to flop/turn CB
question , is it ok to bet this river. secondly , which cards would you possible barrel on the river that didn't improve my hand. Can i ever barrel river unimproved? ty
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($2.44)
MP3 ($3.34)
CO ($4)
Button ($3.93)
SB ($16.70)
Hero (BB) ($5.42)
UTG ($5.19)
UTG+1 ($12.08)
MP1 ($2.16)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , K
UTG bets $0.15, 7 folds, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.32) 8 , 3 , 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20
Turn: ($0.72) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.45, Hero raises $1.25, UTG calls $0.80
River: ($3.22) A (2 players)
Hero bets $1.70, 1 fold
Total pot: $3.22
Results below:
Hero had A , K (two pair, Aces and eights).
Outcome: Hero won $4.77
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baudib
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Of course it's OK to bet this river.
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ColdDecked
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Straight
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Pretty sure it's a value bet and not a bluff
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Hoopy
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Full House
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You're asking about the river when the streets that came before it are more important in this hand.
For every street give reasoning for what you did + put him on a range.
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Don't understand your turn play at all. Were you check raising for value or as a bluff?
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TheLongGrind
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Belgium
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
You're asking about the river when the streets that came before it are more important in this hand.
For every street give reasoning for what you did + put him on a range.
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i'll do this exercice , or at least try. 5% opens from EP would mean :88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo.
On the flop i don't feel his range can be that strong calling the flop here looks pretty standard to me , he could have a lot of whiffed overcards , AJ KQ, AQ, , hands like 99 TT that can't stand much heat vs a nit like me on the turn.
the turn i felt like i was bluffing but while reviewing the hand it's not batshit insane to think i might still be ahead and i'm actually valuebetting though at the time i didn't realise this and it was intended as a bluff. I figured hands like TT 99 might not like the action on a double paired board vs a defending BB and some A hi hands might get stubborn. Obviously , because i felt i was bluffing i was hoping to get a fold. When he calls the turn his range looks like TT-AA and maybe a whiffed overcards but i'm not giving that to much weight. I must admit after he called the turn i felt like he was going to call a bunch of rivers with those hands and basically giving up on my bluff. At this point i felt ' lost' in the hand. In my head i was planning to bet big paint cards like anyJ Q K A. but besides those cards , i was likely to give up. I like the 'idea' of betting those cards ont he river because it would be a hard call for some of his medium pairs
river i figured i am betting for value and hoping to see a crying call from TT-KK , AJ AQ
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L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
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i'll do this exercice , or at least try. 5% opens from EP would mean :88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo.
Sample is really small. Why did you not 3bet AK vs that range?
On the flop i don't feel his range can'y be that strong calling the flop kind here looks pretty standard to me , he could have a lot of whiffed overcards , AJ KQ, AQ, , hands like 99 TT that can't stand much heat vs a nit like me on the turn.
Nit like you? Is he aware of this? It seems like its a pretty big assumption your making that he is paying attention and knows how to properly adjust to someone who is a nit. Many people, even higher stakes, tend to have one playstyle and stick to that no matter how their opponents are playing. Even if your assumption is right, try not to make it a habit to float OOP to try stealing the pot on a later street, especially against someone you dont have a lotta history with.
the turn i felt like i was bluffing but while reviewing the hand it's not batshit insane to think i might still be ahead and i'm actually valuebetting though at the time i didn't realise this and it was intended as a bluff. I figured hands like TT 99 might not like the action on a double paired board vs a defending BB and some A hi hands might get stubborn. Obviously , because i felt i was bluffing i was hoping to get a fold. When he calls the turn his range looks like TT-AA and maybe a whiffed overcards but i'm not giving that to much weight. I must admit after he called the turn i felt like he was going to call a bunch of rivers with those hands and basically giving up on my bluff. At this point i felt ' lost' in the hand. In my head i was planning to bet big paint cards like anyJ Q K A. but besides those cards , i was likely to give up. I like the 'idea' of betting those cards ont he river because it would be a hard call for some of his medium pairs
I don't like this play or reasoning at all. It is very hopeful for you to think that he would fold an overpair here. You can't credibily rep a 3 or an 8 here. It just looks really fos or some kind of pair that your trying to get value from. Again, we don't even know how much this guy is paying attention or how much he can hand read. Most likely he will look at his own two cards and make decisions on that rather than your line.
river i figured i am betting for value and hoping to see a crying call from TT-KK
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TheLongGrind
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Belgium
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Quote:
Originally Posted by L_Clan_Sup3rMaN
i'll do this exercice , or at least try. 5% opens from EP would mean :88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo.
Sample is really small. Why did you not 3bet AK vs that range?
On the flop i don't feel his range can'y be that strong calling the flop kind here looks pretty standard to me , he could have a lot of whiffed overcards , AJ KQ, AQ, , hands like 99 TT that can't stand much heat vs a nit like me on the turn.
Nit like you? Is he aware of this? It seems like its a pretty big assumption your making that he is paying attention and knows how to properly adjust to someone who is a nit. Many people, even higher stakes, tend to have one playstyle and stick to that no matter how their opponents are playing. Even if your assumption is right, try not to make it a habit to float OOP to try stealing the pot on a later street, especially against someone you dont have a lotta history with.
the turn i felt like i was bluffing but while reviewing the hand it's not batshit insane to think i might still be ahead and i'm actually valuebetting though at the time i didn't realise this and it was intended as a bluff. I figured hands like TT 99 might not like the action on a double paired board vs a defending BB and some A hi hands might get stubborn. Obviously , because i felt i was bluffing i was hoping to get a fold. When he calls the turn his range looks like TT-AA and maybe a whiffed overcards but i'm not giving that to much weight. I must admit after he called the turn i felt like he was going to call a bunch of rivers with those hands and basically giving up on my bluff. At this point i felt ' lost' in the hand. In my head i was planning to bet big paint cards like anyJ Q K A. but besides those cards , i was likely to give up. I like the 'idea' of betting those cards ont he river because it would be a hard call for some of his medium pairs
I don't like this play or reasoning at all. It is very hopeful for you to think that he would fold an overpair here. You can't credibily rep a 3 or an 8 here. It just looks really fos or some kind of pair that your trying to get value from. Again, we don't even know how much this guy is paying attention or how much he can hand read. Most likely he will look at his own two cards and make decisions on that rather than your line.
river i figured i am betting for value and hoping to see a crying call from TT-KK
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i agree , i was basically explaining my reasoning during the hand , being rational about it at this point kind of shows I was repping a very narrow range first of all and second of all you are definately right when you claim that it's rather optimistic for villain to think about my hand , let alone pay attention to player dynamics
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