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gnads
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10-12-2006, 11:01 PM
Post subject: The biggest leak I had when I was first starting out was....
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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I'm sure this has been posted somewhere else but thought I'd bring it up again. I'd be interested to hear what all the good players on this forum think was the biggest leak they fixed before they started to win consistently (other than the obvious stuff like playing too many hands, etc etc)
I'm too much of a noob to comment really, but I just recently decided to stop stacking off with TPTK and it has helped me out quite a bit.
Anyone else?
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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when i first started playing i was a total calling station - i remember reading something about hand selection somewhere and what helped me the most was a simple phrase. Well i was thinking that exact thing when I folded 9,4 offsuit for the first time..."What are you really trying to hit when you play 9,4 offsuit" - not a leak - more like a major flood - but it was a big realization in my short poker career...
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zook
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4-of-a-Kind
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I used to think players bluff a lot more than they do.
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silu73
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Full House
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New Zealand
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Originally Posted by zook
I used to think players bluff a lot more than they do.
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The ultimate beginners mistake in my mind.
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Jimmy Mac
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Full House
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Drinking your milkshake.
Posts: 950
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Not playing my big hands fast enough.
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bode
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: slow motion
Posts: 4,270
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Originally Posted by zook
I used to think players bluff a lot more than they do.
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this is by far my biggest leak still
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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swiggidy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Waiting in the shadows ...
Posts: 3,777
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
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Originally Posted by zook
I used to think players bluff a lot more than they do.
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this is by far my biggest leak still |
QFT
It's awesome now when I know they're not bluffing and I have them smoked.
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FlyingSaucy
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Watching the kids
Posts: 1,603
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In terms of sng's my biggest leak starting out was preflop loose calls. limping low pockets from EP, calling late game raises in LP with AT, AJ, KQ, etc.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 1,921
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played too many hands. didnt understand position.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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TerryToma
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: wisconsin
Posts: 823
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1. not buying in full
2. not playing made hands fast enough
3. not raising pp's preflop
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: My ice is polarized
Posts: 2,797
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Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye
played too many hands. didnt understand position, slow played EVERY hand.
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Marry Me Cheryl!!!
Posts: 8,181
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Didnt know about the implied threat concept, and howto use it well.
Didnt fast play enough hands versus bad players.
Didnt bet for value on the river anywhere near enough.
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Renton
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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underestimating the meaning of variance
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handsomestan
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 40
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Playing weak aces "because it's an ace".
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djzcko
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Flush
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 285
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1. Thinking everyone is bluffing
2. Only caring about my hand and never thinking about what villain's hand may be.
3. Playing too many hands
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 4,836
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1) Thinking I was better than bankroll management. ( " I only need 5 buyins against these wads")
2) Calling a river all-in cause they couldn't have a flush and call those pot sized bets. (still do this)
3) way to many drawing hands in early position.
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biondino
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Playing far too many hands pre-flop (35% at full ring) with no regard for position (my logic: "top pair is top pair whether you're utg or on the button!").
The phrase "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" is SO apposite re poker noobs, I've come to realise.
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shooter
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 56
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Calling maniacs (there's one in just about every game) with far less than a premium hand, but it must be better than this guys hand ... then thinking he must be bluffing when the continuation bet comes, so calling the flop (or getting called when I make a continuation bet) ... and then having to fold to the obvious turn bet, because well, he's a maniac.
In general:
- Lack of patience
- Trying to play table sheriff without the goods
- No clue how to play post-flop. Still a big leak of mine.
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I think one of the interesting things about poker is that once you let your ego in, you're done for. ~ Al Alvarez
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Warpe
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Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
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Stacking off with top pair/2-pair.
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dsmrolla06
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Full House
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: South Bend IN
Posts: 724
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calling reraises on the river when you know your beat... still a leak of mine, more so in cash games
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mcatdog
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis
Posts: 3,654
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Folding too much.
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mrhappy333
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 1,078
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Originally Posted by zook
I used to think players bluff a lot more than they do.
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when I stopped doing this in my home game every week, I won it 6 weeks in a row.
I still catch myself thinking someone is bluffing, but not nearly as much.
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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MiJ
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Miami
Posts: 208
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no BR management...
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Location: surfing in a room
Posts: 2,188
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1. playing outside my roll
2. playing for stacks with TPTK
3. calling too much, minbetting, when i didn´t knew what to do
most important leak still to fix:
spot sets, don´t pay them off
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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yo
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taipan168
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Administrator
Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Sydney
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Not appreciating just how important position really is.
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donkbee
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WELP
Join Date: May 2005
Location: so close but so far
Posts: 3,604
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Originally Posted by MiJ
no BR management...
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This is the leak almost all new players have.
When I first started, my biggest leak was overvaluing hands like AT and AJ. I always wondered why people liked AJ so much because I always lost so many chips playing it. Took me to realize that it's actually a piece of crap ...
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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WhooFleuryScores
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 918
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1) Playing too passively/not being aggresive enough
2) Monsters under the bed syndrome (still do)
3) Didn't understand position
4) Not understanding advantages of implied odds and position to an EP/MP raiser.
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Jager
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Full House
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 754
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1. Not calling raises w/ small PP
2. Not raising w/ med/sm PPs
3. Not playing enough hands in position.
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"It is impossible for you to learn what you think you already know."
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TLR
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Moderator
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 5,007
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wow, there were so many leaks
1. I gave people too much credit for good hands all the time, then I went to the extreme opposite and thought opponents were bluffing too much
2. Calling too much and raising too little
3. Slowplaying too much
4. In Sngs playing to get ITM and not for 1st place
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BankItDrew
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
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Originally Posted by courtiebee
I always wondered why people liked AJ so much because I always lost so many chips playing it. Took me to realize that it's actually a piece of crap ...
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I bought pokertracker on tuesday and have logged 5k hands. guess which hand is my most profitable so far?
My biggest leaks that I have found since first playing 2 years ago are:
1.overvaluing Ax
2.position importance
3.slowplaying all big hands
4.tilt (i shrug off bad beats better and better every day)
5.not thinking about what my opponent has .. took me nearly 3 months to do this! It was as if I doubled my thinking.
6.playing too tired/intoxicated
7.not buying pokertracker
8.looking at my bankroll every 10 minutes.. i still do this
9.limping SC from UTG on last orbit
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ThelVlaster
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Straight
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 222
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One thing I'm having trouble with currently is knowing I should fold, but I don't - I have to see if my "read" was right, or see what the opponent had.
I hear the best way to do this is to let go of your mouse in between streets - so you don't click too soon, and you think about your actions, before you make them.
I would do this, but I six table so I'm not able to.
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BlueBull
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Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 72
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Bankrolll mgmt....
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Tycho
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 47
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Calling raises after putting in the blinds, with crap, because I foolishly feel that since I have some money committed already, I might as well just call.
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topsoyale
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 355
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1. The "thinking opponenet is bluffing" all the time syndrome
2. Honestly thinking that good bubble play meant sneaking into 3rd in the sit and go's
3. Callin all-ins with pocket aces on the flop when I was most certainly beat, because they were aces of course.
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jameseyb
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Straight
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sapley, Cambs.
Posts: 169
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Not raising enough. i still have the same problem, but it's not a leak that much any more, more of a trickle...
oh yes, not spotting made hands. I still have that one
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Tom42
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Straight
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 110
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Playing scared. It's amazing how much value you leave on the table if you're afraid to lose money. Still have it sometimes, but I immediately stop playing now.
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bruinblue
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Flush
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 329
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1. no idea of position in any way shape or form
2. getting stacked with TP mid kicker cuz the guy couldnt possibly have slowplayed top 2 this far...
3. tilting because im convinced my opponents are so much luckier than i am... and then realizing that OF COURSE THEYLL DRAW OUT! they spend their whole time trying to draw out.
4. willingness to call raises with crap because i dont like limp-folding
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r4racer220: every day is lee jones day
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,910
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Originally Posted by ThelVlaster
One thing I'm having trouble with currently is knowing I should fold, but I don't - I have to see if my "read" was right, or see what the opponent had.
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I have this too, even nowadays. I think it's a confidence thing..
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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acrafty
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 42
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My trouble is when someone tries to take my blinds, I find it difficult to back down with a marginal hand.
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Thee One
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 185
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Originally Posted by Tom42
Playing scared. It's amazing how much value you leave on the table if you're afraid to lose money
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Calling too much
Playing too passive
Not knowing why I was performing certain actions. Why did I bet? Why did I push?
Not putting my opponent on a hand (still with this one)
Not recognizing when I'm beat
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salsa4ever
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Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 1,073
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besides the most obvious it is:
1. Overvaluing TP/Good+ Kicker and Trips/Good+ Kicker
2. Not realizing when to bet for value (when there are worse hands that will call), and when to check/call (when there are worse hands that will bluff). Failing to bet for value in position
3. Not playing as the pot odds dictate
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Originally Posted by bigred
Would you bone your cousins? Salsa would.
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Originally Posted by salsa4ever
well courtie, since we're both clear, would you accept an invitation for some unprotected sex?
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mrhappy333
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Full House
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 1,078
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Playing when my kids are running around, my wife is in the kitchen trying to talk to me, watching TV, or talking on the phone, all make you lose your concentration.
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3 3 3 I'm only half evil.
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benny999
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,567
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When I strated out it was focusing too much on just what my cards are instead of what THEIR cards - ie range is...and then never adapting how to play my hands for how they play their hands, position, and sometimes my image. Also, not understanding anything about position or why/when aggression is good.
My biggest leak now is bluffing people who aren't likely to fold even marginal hands.
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bearcats05
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Flush
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 336
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im gonna have to save not paying enough attention when registering for tournaments.
seriously:
one 330 dollar heads up sng when trying to enter a 5.
like 15 limit sngs
1 omaha hi lo sng
2 stud sngs
i think all together in those i had no idea wtf i was doing and lost a shitload.
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
Posts: 591
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here is my latest leak and its a big one for me - I just realized the past week or so that im making angry river calls...I will flop trips or turn a crappy BB special hand into a boat on the turn...Despite betting and check/raising, these players will call me down with the only possible card they COULD be calling me with (like Q10 on a Q252 board when i've got 5,2, or AKK3 when i've got K10) and then they hit their 2 outer and i ANGRILY pay it off...River Q or River A when that is the only hand they could be calling me with - Catch it on the river and I bitch about chasers...but i pay it off anyway
I have to stop this - and stop it fast - its never a bluff....
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LimpinAintEZ
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Flush
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
Posts: 591
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probably doesn't help that im running bad either - but the bottom line is i know im beat and im still paying it off....its worse, IMO, to pay these off than sets when i've got an overpair cause they really are so obvious...at lesat SOME of the time the donks with mid-pair are playing it like a set, but not the ones who call down lone top pair and hit a miracle....
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gnads
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 56
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I just spent the last week and 8 buyins thinking everyone was bluffing with their big river bets.
I fixed that leak but then became too passive and started folding all over the shop...if you sneezed, I folded. I think I'm back on track now though
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StageWhisper
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: WA
Posts: 90
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Not value betting the river and giving people to much credit for hands
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I'm just a girl, you should push.
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Pelion
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 3,206
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playing too many drawing hands in early position. Things like limping 75o. Id fold to the raise every time but I didnt want to risk missing my "cheap" flop.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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Kits
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Straight
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Australia
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My tiny balls didn't let me fire enough second barrels.
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