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mimmons775
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03-10-2005, 01:43 AM
Post subject: Big Pairs Early Position
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ive read from doyles book that sometimes you should limp with aces or kings in 1st or 2nd position, and reraise if a raise occurs. When you reraise doesnt it basically give your hand away. Is there a way to slowplay a big hand preflop without it being so obvious.
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Demiparadigm
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4-of-a-Kind
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It is supposed to give your hand away.
You do it to pick up the money in the pot without a flop.
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Aceofone
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03-10-2005, 02:00 AM
Post subject: Re: Big Pairs Early Position
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Originally Posted by mimmons775
Is there a way to slowplay a big hand preflop without it being so obvious.
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Yes, just call the raise, and check-raise him on the flop. The downside is the risk of allowing more than one player to see the flop against you, basic Risk vs Reward. Limping big pairs can be very profitable especially if you set it and someone else has the only remaining A or K.
But you can, and will, get burnt doing this.
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a500lbgorilla
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03-10-2005, 03:20 AM
Post subject: Re: Big Pairs Early Position
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Originally Posted by mimmons775
ive read from doyles book that sometimes you should limp with aces or kings in 1st or 2nd position, and reraise if a raise occurs. When you reraise doesnt it basically give your hand away. Is there a way to slowplay a big hand preflop without it being so obvious.
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Leading out for a raise accomplishes the same thing. They know that you have a strong hand and a lot of people will try and suck you out on the flop and force you to put it all in there with your overpair when they do make two pair or better.
So you either raise to 5 and get 1 call and risk the flop. Or limp for 1 get raised to 5, reraise to 25 and win the 5 risk free.
That's the general idea.
-'rilla
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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poskid_1982
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Doyle is talking about setting a trap that most people wont walk into for blind money. Dont do this at lower limits because 3 people will call with crap...or you rake a blind that isn't worth it. Just play these normally. The only hand I play like that is JJ when the table will let me.
But later in SNG's this tactic is awesome. Try slowplaying AA with the bubble nearing...sweet little moneymaker when a short stack shoves or a big stack thinks you're full shit.
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Superb play sir...I always call 20% of my stack off with a gutshot draw. Excuse me while I race for my wallet.
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Staresy
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But later in SNG's this tactic is awesome. Try slowplaying AA with the bubble nearing...sweet little moneymaker when a short stack shoves or a big stack thinks you're full shit.
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Totally agree with this. It is a joy to behold establishing a tight table image, then setting this trap then Whammo! ...... someone has their pants pulled down!
I also think it then sets u up to really mix up your play. The other players don't know whether your limps are this trap again or things like JT where u want to see a flop.
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mimmons775
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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i wasnt talking about lower limits
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Molinero
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03-10-2005, 09:23 PM
Post subject: Re: Big Pairs Early Position
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Originally Posted by mimmons775
ive read from doyles book that sometimes you should limp with aces or kings in 1st or 2nd position, and reraise if a raise occurs. When you reraise doesnt it basically give your hand away. Is there a way to slowplay a big hand preflop without it being so obvious.
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I think there's some advantage to this...but I don't like doing it unless I'm relatively sure I'll get the chance to re-raise. If there's a loose-agg behind me (which is frequently not the case), I might try this. But more often than not, I am going to be the pushy guy, regardless of where I'm sitting.
Plus, it sets you up nicely for plays like this
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ic.php?p=37983
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