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Old 05-09-2006, 03:58 AM     Post subject: Betting quads #1 (permalink)  
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Ok, twice today I got quads. Both times within an hour of each other. How would you bet these. Heres what I did. 50NL game 6 max.

Dog delt 55
cant remember the position but someone raised pot to $1 and I called it.
Flop 556
PF raiser checks, I check. No one esle in pot.
Turn 6
PF raiser checks, I check
River 10
PF raiser bets $2.5, I raise to $10, he folds. Maybe I should have just raised to $5. Anyhow there was no draws on the board except for trips, full house, two pair or quads.

Second hand
Dog delt 44
One raiser to me for $1, I call.
Flop comes A44
Raiser bets $1.5, I raise to $5, he folds.
Probably should have just called his raise and let him maybe build a hand. I jumped the gun without thinking it through I guess.

Anyhow, would anyone play these differently?
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Old 05-09-2006, 04:41 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Just me, but I would have called here on both hands.

Hand 2 - And each time he bet, I would have waited til my "timer" got down to near zero and called again. I would want him to think I had Ax as he probably had A4, AK, AQ or even AA ... If he has the latter, he's obviously thinking his boat is the nuts. On the other hand, I might have min-raised back on the flop and perhaps the same on the turn. Assuming another blank (only AA with the last A is gonna kill you), I would reraise enough on the river to get that final call.

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Old 05-09-2006, 04:42 AM #3 (permalink)  

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Seat 1: thelipkin [QS,QC] ($47.95 in chips)

Seat 2: whokid29 ($3.90 in chips)
Seat 3: hoopster ($20.95 in chips) Seat 4: Mister Funk ($50.20 in chips) Seat 5: Mr_Hilltop ($25.35 in chips) Seat 7: dandelos ($6.60 in chips) Seat 8: barmmerm ($25.90 in chips) Seat 9: illuminatorx ($28.50 in chips) Seat 10: pfduser ($23.35 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS
Mister Funk posts blind ($0.15), Mr_Hilltop posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
dandelos folds, barmmerm bets $1, illuminatorx folds, pfduser folds, thelipkin bets $3, whokid29 folds, hoopster folds, Mister Funk folds, Mr_Hilltop folds, barmmerm calls $2.

FLOP [board cards QD,QH,6S ]
barmmerm checks, thelipkin checks.

TURN [board cards QD,QH,6S,AC ]
barmmerm bets $2, thelipkin calls $2.

RIVER [board cards QD,QH,6S,AC,7H ]
barmmerm bets $5, thelipkin bets $15, barmmerm bets $15.90 and is all-in, thelipkin calls $5.90.

SHOWDOWN
barmmerm shows [ 6C,6D ]
thelipkin shows [ QS,QC ]
thelipkin wins $51.70. SUMMARY
Dealer: hoopster
Pot: $52.20, (including rake: $0.50)
thelipkin, bets $25.90, collects $51.70, net $25.80
whokid29, loses $0
hoopster, loses $0
Mister Funk, loses $0.15
Mr_Hilltop, loses $0.25
dandelos, loses $0
barmmerm, loses $25.90
illuminatorx, loses $0
pfduser, loses $0

You need them to flop a boat
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Old 05-09-2006, 05:40 AM #4 (permalink)  

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On the first hand you can't get any money... board is double paired. Either he has the 6 or he doesn't. I try to steal more than usual on paired flops like this so my trips (and less likely quads) get paid off, but there's not much you can do.

On the 2nd hand you can make some money and I would just call. It's possible he's on an Ace there (or maybe a middle pair). I think you scared away a couple hands that might give you their money, albeit cautiously.


@Kinglizard: Could you explain how he could have AA? Noone will fold top boat. I think A4 is pretty unlikely as well, even though it's a miniraise preflop.
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Old 05-09-2006, 06:10 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 When you hit quads with a pp, you're usually not getting paid off. In the first hand I would raise him slightly.. I just want him to call with his weak holdings really. In the second hand, just call. It's probably a c-bet anyway. You flopped the absolute nuts.. don't show your hand strength til the river.

When you hit quads with 3 on the board, that is great. Now noone thinks you'll have it, and everyone in the hand will be playing for the higher pair to complete the flush.
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Old 05-09-2006, 08:08 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: I'm probably betting this flop, just because I'm usually betting this flop in this situation with any 2 when checked to. If I'm not betting the flop, I'm certainly betting the turn.

hand 2: he was going to check/fold whatever hand he had on the turn anyway. by calling you MIGHT get 1 more bet out of him. You should be trying to stack a good ace here...
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Old 05-09-2006, 02:25 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - I would have put out a min bet on the turn hoping it looked like a weakass steal attempt.

Hand 2 - Call the bet on the flop, check behind if he checks the turn and the bet/raise the river
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Old 05-09-2006, 02:45 PM #8 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: You obviously WAY overbet this pot.. but this guy doesn't have squat and i think minbets look strong he as well and will likely get folds, but it's probably your best chance to get paid off..... unless you have a maniac image for some reason... in which case PUSH.

Hand 2: I often wonder about this same thing... luckily you have position here. i think you just call the turn and then raise the river. The guy is going to have to have a very strong hand (or totally suck) to call a sizeable turn raise and then fire at you on the river. It's more likely he probably has something from a weak Ace on up... and you don't want to scare off those weak aces.
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Old 05-09-2006, 02:45 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I didnt figure I could improve hand one really. Not when the 6's hit the board and there was 2 pair. My only hope was him hitting some kind of full house on the river maybe. And not a bigger quad with 6's, that would have been disaterous.

Hand 2, I totally screwed it up by raising, I should have just called and let him do all the betting till the river, then raised. My thinking there was if I just hit the reraise button instead of entering a raise amount that it would look like I was trying to bluff him. Didnt work obviously.
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Old 05-09-2006, 03:43 PM #10 (permalink)  
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@Kinglizard: Could you explain how he could have AA? Noone will fold top boat. I think A4 is pretty unlikely as well, even though it's a miniraise preflop.
I put him on AK or AQ most likely. I say AA because it IS a possibility. I agree A4 is unlikely but I have seen people PFR crap all the time. As for AA, that was exactly my point. No one is going to fold top boat, hence my suggestion to call the flop and minraise the turn. If villain does indeed have AA, you have to expect a push and you take the stack.
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Old 05-09-2006, 04:48 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - I would have put out a min bet on the turn hoping it looked like a weakass steal attempt.

Hand 2 - Call the bet on the flop, check behind if he checks the turn and the bet/raise the river
Hand1: Why min bet when a 2/3 pot or PS bet also looks like a steal. Of course a min bet may get reraised so both have merit but I put in a larger bet here.
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Old 05-09-2006, 05:44 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Ok, this hand just happened my last session of 50NL 6 max.

Dog is delt 8c 8d in BB
limped to me with 2 limpers, I raise to $1, both limpers call.
Flop comes 8h 8s 4s
I check, first limper bets $2, second limper folds, I let timer run down and call the $2 bet.
Turn is 9s
I check hoping he has a flush or will draw to one. He bets $2, again I let timer run down and call his $2 bet.
River is Ah
I bet $3. He calls and shows A7o. I count his chips.

Maybe I could have taken his stack here, I left him with $5 and a little change. But I wanted to put a bet out I thought he would answer and maybe raise, without betting him out of the hand.
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:16 PM #13 (permalink)  
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 Wow you seem to be flopping them a lot. I'd say you got quite some good money from a silly A7o there
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:18 PM #14 (permalink)  
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yeah, just got lucky. Ive only played about 3 hours on this site and had 3 quads. And thats just 2 and 3 tabling a session. Its bound to change sometime. lol
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:28 PM #15 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - I would have put out a min bet on the turn hoping it looked like a weakass steal attempt.

Hand 2 - Call the bet on the flop, check behind if he checks the turn and the bet/raise the river
Hand1: Why min bet when a 2/3 pot or PS bet also looks like a steal. Of course a min bet may get reraised so both have merit but I put in a larger bet here.
For me the decision to min bet versus 2/3 is read dependent. The looser and/or more aggressive the opponent then the larger the bet.
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:29 PM #16 (permalink)  
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yeah, just got lucky. Ive only played about 3 hours on this site and had 3 quads. And thats just 2 and 3 tabling a session. Its bound to change sometime. lol
Dude, you're not going to get another quad till 2010!!!!
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Old 05-09-2006, 07:33 PM #17 (permalink)  
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Dude, you're not going to get another quad till 2010!!!!
I'll settle for multiple full houses
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@Kinglizard: Could you explain how he could have AA? Noone will fold top boat. I think A4 is pretty unlikely as well, even though it's a miniraise preflop.
I put him on AK or AQ most likely. I say AA because it IS a possibility. I agree A4 is unlikely but I have seen people PFR crap all the time. As for AA, that was exactly my point. No one is going to fold top boat, hence my suggestion to call the flop and minraise the turn. If villain does indeed have AA, you have to expect a push and you take the stack.
....i think we can safely remove A4 from the villian's possible holding and if you need me to explain why you should be beaten.
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Old 05-10-2006, 03:22 AM #19 (permalink)  
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Dude, you're not going to get another quad till 2010!!!!
Rats, played another session and not one quad flopped for me. 2010 is going to be a long drought.
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@Kinglizard: Could you explain how he could have AA? Noone will fold top boat. I think A4 is pretty unlikely as well, even though it's a miniraise preflop.
I put him on AK or AQ most likely. I say AA because it IS a possibility. I agree A4 is unlikely but I have seen people PFR crap all the time. As for AA, that was exactly my point. No one is going to fold top boat, hence my suggestion to call the flop and minraise the turn. If villain does indeed have AA, you have to expect a push and you take the stack.
....i think we can safely remove A4 from the villian's possible holding and if you need me to explain why you should be beaten.
Thanks oh wise one. I'll give it some thought and seek your sage advice if needed.
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Old 05-10-2006, 08:16 PM #21 (permalink)  
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I think min raising is normally a bad play. Min raising oftentimes signals that you have a monster because if you had a had that was vulnerable you would raise around the size of the pot. Also, If you are bluffing, the min raise will give anyone a draw odds to call you so it is stupid. People who are truly bluffing (at least those who have some cojones) will bet alot more than the min raise to push off a marginal hand. Most of the time, any good player who sees a min raise knows that its a bet that begs to be called and is therefore representative of a great hand. To me, min raising is worse than overbetting the pot
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Old 05-11-2006, 05:34 PM #22 (permalink)  
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 To best maximize quads: Wait until villain has made a big hand. He will tell you he has a big hand when he raises you.

So, check/call to river. On the river, lead small (1/4-1/2 pot) or min raise. If opponent comes over the top at all, raise significantly.


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Old 05-11-2006, 05:37 PM #23 (permalink)  
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its a bad idea to always check quads.

if you have QQ on the board QQdTd, you should bet because there are severals draws that will call you, meaning you make money whether they hit or not. if the board is QQ2 rainbow, its better to check.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:58 PM #24 (permalink)  
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Dude, you're not going to get another quad till 2010!!!!
Ha quad 2's yesterday and Quad 6's today. Its going to be 2010 before I stop getting them Its just a shame neither one of them paid anything.
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Old 05-16-2006, 07:31 AM #25 (permalink)  
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Quads rule.

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Button ($144.50)
Hero ($332.30)
BB ($18.50)
UTG ($160.30)
MP ($52.71)
CO ($109.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A. Hero posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $5.5, 1 fold, MP calls $4.

Flop: ($13) 4, A, A (2 players)
Hero bets $5, MP raises to $15, Hero calls $10.

Turn: ($43) K (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($43) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $20, Hero raises to $40, MP calls $11.71 (All-In).

Final Pot: $114.71

Villian was aggressive and slightly tilting, I had to bet the flop or it would have been too suspicious but I thought a weak bet might look like a scared KK/QQ. No point value betting the river as he would probably fold but might try pushing me off the hand.
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Old 05-16-2006, 08:41 AM #26 (permalink)  
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Very nice.
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