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Borax

04-29-2005, 12:26 PM Post subject: Betting the flop after hitting your set?

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Flush

Join Date: Feb 2005

Location: Norway

Posts: 584

I won a nice pot here and was very pleased with my play in his hand. The reason for posting it is that I was first to bet on the flop after hitting my set and I would like to know what you think of this strategy in this hand? Would a check raise be better here?
Also feel free to comment on other things I could have done better in the given situation.

0.25/0.5$ NL 10 player
Loose table, I had just sat down so no other read on players.

Dealt to Borax in MP1

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OpeningBetRound
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SB : Posts small blind 0.25
BB : Posts big blind 0.50
UTG : Folds
UTG+1 : Calls for 0.50
UTG+2 : Calls for 0.50
Borax : Calls for 0.50
MP2 : Calls for 0.50
MP3 : Folds
CO : Calls for 0.50
Button : Raises for 2.00
SB : Calls for 1.75
BB : Folds
UTG+1 : Folds
UTG+2 : Calls for 1.50
Borax : Calls for 1.50
MP2 : Calls for 1.50
CO : Folds
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Flop

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SB : Checks
UTG+2 : Checks
Borax : Bets 5.00
MP2 : Folds
Button : Calls for 5.00
SB : Folds
UTG+2 : Calls for 5.00
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Turn

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UTG+2 : Checks
Borax : Bets 25.00
Button : Went all-in 19.41
UTG+2 : Calls for 25.00
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River

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UTG+2 : Checks
Borax : Went all-in 29.00
UTG+2 : Went all-in 16.00
Borax : Receives returned betting money 13.00
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Showdown
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Borax

- Three of a Kind - 7's
Button

- One Pair - A's
UTG+2

- Three of a Kind - 6's
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Result
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UTG+2 Showed Cards
Borax Showed Cards (Winning) 124.91
Button Showed Cards

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ville18

04-29-2005, 01:56 PM

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Def. raise when there's flush draw.

Borax

04-29-2005, 01:59 PM

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Flush

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So you would check the flop?

drmcboy

04-29-2005, 02:23 PM

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DrButtInski
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I'd have bet even more on the flop, with that many in someone must be on the draw(s), plus you figure someone has an A and will pay you off. Honestly I'm stunned the 66 didn't re raise.

Rorgg

04-29-2005, 02:25 PM

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No, he's saying bet the flop harder. The pot was ... what, $10.50? A $5 bet makes a +EV call for someone with 2 diamonds. Bet there should be around $7-8 to drive out flush draws (and as a side effect, it'll definitely run out any OESDs running around).

Borax

04-29-2005, 02:37 PM

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Flush

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Good point, but with the Ace on the flop I was actually expecting a reraise after my quite early position half pot bet and I was hoping for an oportunity to reraise again/push to take a bigger pot. I wanted to signal some weakness or even that I was drawing myself to get that reraise. The flush draw is less likely with the A being one of the diamonds here I think, but of course still very possible. I was also surprised that the 666 didn't reraise which would be just what I was hoping for.

smcicr

04-29-2005, 03:43 PM

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I'm still trying to judge that perfect balance point between keeping people p(l)aying and not getting outdrawn.

I'd have probably played it as you did but maybe as was suggested above a little more aggro on the flop due to the flush possibility.

If I hit a set on the flop I'm praying it's rainbow and no connectors! Don't want much really...

If either of those does appear I tend to bet big and try to take it down there - that may well be a result of playing at a level where people will call too much with too little right now though.

Nice pot btw

"nobody's ugly after 2 am" - bukowski

TylerDurden

04-29-2005, 05:52 PM

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You want to raise bigger on the flop to push out a flush draw, also if you bet into the original raiser here there's a good chance he'll come over the top if he's paired the ace and you'll take his stack.

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Lucid

04-29-2005, 07:21 PM

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Straight

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Your 1/2 sized pot bet would have been perfect if there was only two other callers and you were in early position. But with 5 callers and a 10 dollar pot you want to bet the pot. There are too many people out there that might have a flush draw. With that many people there is a good chance that one of them might call your pot-sized bet or raise. You want to take down the pot quickly in this situation or make people pay to draw.

DaNutsInYoEye

04-29-2005, 07:28 PM

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4-of-a-Kind

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Playing your sets fast disguises your hand and makes people pay more to draw against you. With straight/flush draws on the board or with multiple opponents I feel that in the long run you're better off forgetting about slow playing.

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HepCat

04-29-2005, 07:35 PM

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Absolutely! Bet the pot in that case. I recently played a similar hand at a live game, but the flush draw wasn't there. I had pocket 7's and limped in with no preflop raisers. It was a rainbow flop with including a 7 to make my set, and a Q for the highest single card.

Since there wasn't a flush or straight draw, I checked it. He bet about half the pot and I thought fer a bit then only called.

Turn card was another low card not appearing to be of any help, so I checked again, he made a decent size bet; I thought about it then called.

The river hit and again it was no apparent help... I checked & he bet, I put him all in & he immediately called.

Turns out he was holdin AQs for top pair with Ace kicker.

AvatarKava

04-29-2005, 07:40 PM

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Flush

Join Date: May 2004

Location: Houston, TX

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Two smooth calls and he calls the AI on the river? Silly.

If that doesn't raise a red flag that your TPTK is stomped, what does?

Hogimacaca

04-29-2005, 10:14 PM

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yea betting hard with flush draw on the flop is my play but very nice pot

when u said loose table u meant it with AQo calling for whole stack

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