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LAPRAS
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06-15-2010, 02:21 AM
Post subject: Betsizing w/AK on KQQxx vs fish
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Two Pair
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 32
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Stacks:
UTG ($14.99)
UTG+1 ($31.24) (53/4/huge station)
CO ($18.80)
BTN ($5.15)
LAPRAS ($22.24) (Perceived image irrelevant)
BB ($28.07) (37/14/station)
Pre-Flop: ($0.30, 6 players) LAPRAS is SB  
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.20, 2 folds, LAPRAS raises to $0.80, BB calls $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60
Flop:    ($2.40, 3 players)
LAPRAS bets $1.85, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $1.85
Turn:  ($6.10, 2 players)
LAPRAS bets $4, UTG+1 calls $4
River:  ($14.10, 2 players)
LAPRAS bets $5.25
How's my sizing?
I have my own thoughts but curious to see what you say first...
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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i like the sizing. b/f river blocking bet sizing amirite?
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Fnord
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Bigger re-raise pre-flop if he'll call it.
Post-flop I'd slow down a lot faster against someone with more reasonable pre-flop hand selection.
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LAPRAS
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Two Pair
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Thanks guys
Agree with pre. I need to stop just mashing the pot button 
I think the river is pretty thin but ok vs this guy - FWIW I'm confident that villain will call with any Tx that floated flop as any sort of straight draw. Combo wise I expect Qx/Kx to be fairly equally represented in his range, plus he should raise the flop or turn with the former some non-zero% of the time, passive though he is. Same applies on the turn for AJ and J9, not sure he always calls the flop with the former which helps us slightly.
Turn I think I perhaps could have bet a little bigger to continue to charge Jx. I mean, I should be able to do that without losing value from Kx/JJ/Tx.
Given my target range, is anybody thinking I should v-bet any bigger on the river? My sizing in these thin spots is something I've been trying to improve.
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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against a 53/4 i think we missed river value. i make it 1-1.5bb more preflop. flop and turn sizing look fine, river i probably bet 8-9. this guy may not even fold a T here.
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EasyPoker
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Is this 10nl?
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[20:19] <Zill4> god
[20:19] <Zill4> u guys
[20:19] <Zill4> so fking hopeless
[20:19] <Zill4> and dumb
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rpm
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4-of-a-Kind
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20nl it seems
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Tasha
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Flush
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LAPRAS
Turn I think I perhaps could have bet a little bigger to continue to charge Jx. I mean, I should be able to do that without losing value from Kx/JJ/Tx.
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What do you mean by this?
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LAPRAS
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Two Pair
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tasha
What do you mean by this?
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On the turn my opponent will probably continue to draw with his transparent OESD (any hand with a jack in) regardless of how much I bet (realistically). I should be able to successfully lay him a worse price to draw with these hands while still extracting value from worse kings and tens. So I'm thinking $5.25ish on the turn. In a nutshell, the optimal river sizing in this spot basically needs to be the highest amount that villain will call with a ten.
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Tasha
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LAPRAS
On the turn my opponent will probably continue to draw with his transparent OESD (any hand with a jack in) regardless of how much I bet (realistically). I should be able to successfully lay him a worse price to draw with these hands while still extracting value from worse kings and tens. So I'm thinking $5.25ish on the turn. In a nutshell, the optimal river sizing in this spot basically needs to be the highest amount that villain will call with a ten.
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Okay, so how did you get to $5.25?
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oskar
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4-of-a-Kind
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Looks fine. I would go bigger on the river. If he calls 5, he will call 8 as well. imo, and he does have Kx a fair amount.
If your read is 54/4 and huge station, I think it's a mistake to not play it for stacks tho. Even if the board isn't great. So I would go slightly bigger on all streets (prolly preflop as well) and shovel river.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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LAPRAS
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Two Pair
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My logic was that, assuming villain doesn't always raise Qx on the flop or turn, the likelyhood of him having either Qx or Kx is fairly even. Agree that I could have got a bit more value here, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Tasha
Okay, so how did you get to $5.25?
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It's just based on my expectation of how much villain will call with the range I want him to continue with.
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Imthenewfish
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spoon how do u know there isn't some retarded ante structure??
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JKDS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LAPRAS
UTG+1 calls $0.20.
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boom
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But no, jkds is lolvillager and anyone who wants to string him up is sighbad.
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Imthenewfish
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Full House
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oh snap
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