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nice_aiau
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08-27-2010, 11:14 PM
Post subject: Bet/Fold river with overpair 25NL
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I recently posted this hand in my OP and thought it might invoke some worthy discussion.
I Feel bet/folding is better than check/calling on this board because:
We charge Kx hands that call but don't bet.
We're not getting bluffed not is villian turning a made hand into a bluff.
Bet sizing is purely for value against hands that can call.
We could opt to bet smaller to invoke a bluff, or check/call on boards where turn/river are blanks?
Please discuss 
Villian is 33/28 over 60 hands. Aggresion factor 1.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($34.04)
MP ($48.92)
Hero (CO) ($59.47)
Button ($31.77)
SB ($14.55)
BB ($9.59)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , A
2 folds, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds
Flop: ($2.35) 6 , 10, K (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button calls $2
Turn: ($6.35) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button calls $5
River: ($16.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $9, Button raises to $23.77 (All-In), Hero folds
Total pot: $34.35 | Rake: $1.71
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OngBonga
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I can't fold this, so I just let my time run out.
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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nice_aiau
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Lol, fuck I love your signature
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OngBonga
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Thanks. For what it's worth, I play this hand the same, except maybe I don't bet quite as much on the river, maybe I go $6.50. I figure he's an idiot and there's tons of Kx hands that we get value from, though I don't think Kx shoves this river, so b/f seems best line to me. If I actually respected this player I'd probably c/c the river unless he overbets.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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Icanhastreebet
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Yep
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Yep
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OngBonga
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Thanks. For what it's worth, I play this hand the same, except maybe I don't bet quite as much on the river, maybe I go $6.50. I figure he's an idiot and there's tons of Kx hands that we get value from, though I don't think Kx shoves this river, so b/f seems best line to me. If I actually respected this player I'd probably c/c the river unless he overbets.
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The more I think about it the more I think c/c on the river is retarded, sorry. It's b/f or perhaps c/f, but never c/c on the river.
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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nice_aiau
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Personally I feel if hes going to call 6.50, hes going to call 9 just as much.
The problem with betting 6.50 is, he could spaz razz and we end up folding the best hand.
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lol spaz razz, wtf.
Raise*
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OngBonga
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The logic behind my smaller bet is simply to make a fold cheaper. Maybe it encourages a spaz razz raise from air, but it's unlikely if his agg factor can be considered reliable. $6.50 is around what I'd bet with a full house too, I try and keep my river bets consitent just in case anyone's paying attention. But maybe I'm missing value. It's a balancing act between profit and loss, are we going to get enough Kx calls at $9 to pay for the folds when he raises? I haven't got a clue. If we are then for sure bet $9 to your heart's content.
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
ongies gonna ong
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nice_aiau
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The logic behind my smaller bet is simply to make a fold cheaper. Maybe it encourages a spaz razz raise from air, but it's unlikely if his agg factor can be considered reliable. $6.50 is around what I'd bet with a full house too, I try and keep my river bets consitent just in case anyone's paying attention. But maybe I'm missing value. It's a balancing act between profit and loss, are we going to get enough Kx calls at $9 to pay for the folds when he raises? I haven't got a clue. If we are then for sure bet $9 to your heart's content.
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Valid points. Thanks for your input.
Your probably losing value on value hands but your also saving money on the hands your folding, so as you said its a balancing act.
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