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tyrn
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04-04-2009, 05:37 PM
Post subject: Bet or c/r flop?
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Straight
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Button is 35/4/1 over 35 hands - bad player, shows down with KT, Q5o, low pp's, puts money in when he's clearly behind.
MP1 is 10/4 over 35 hands
MP2 30/22 only 10 hands though
I know this is a great flop to bet on, but I also like how I could shove a bet here from a loose player. I know my raise PF was small, i just moved up, still getting mixed up with the new numbers.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRivercom
CO ($4.90)
Button ($4.79)
Hero (SB) ($5.06)
BB ($8.13)
UTG ($5.15)
UTG+1 ($2.11)
MP1 ($6.81)
MP2 ($3.37)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Qd, Qh
2 folds, MP1 bets $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 1 fold, Button calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.60, Button calls $0.60
Flop: ($2.65) 10h, 4h, 7h (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button bets $0.05, Hero raises to $2.50...
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Muzzard
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4-of-a-Kind
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Preflop is far too small, i just lead 2 as played.
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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PF is fine bet/call flop
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AFchung
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Full House
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cbet flop since you're the pfr
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Illfavor
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Full House
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
PF is fine
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Could you explain this?
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Ich grolle nicht...
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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yea we got like 1/6th of our stack in, no reason to make it bigger and blow a ton of worse hands out of the pot
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
yea we got like 1/6th of our stack in, no reason to make it bigger and blow a ton of worse hands out of the pot
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OK, but are we really squeezing as a bluff the same amount? If we're only doing this betsize for value, our opponents can put us on a range of AK,QQ+
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Carroters
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
yea we got like 1/6th of our stack in, no reason to make it bigger and blow a ton of worse hands out of the pot
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OK, but are we really squeezing as a bluff the same amount? If we're only doing this betsize for value, our opponents can put us on a range of AK,QQ+ |
Why are we worried about balancing at these stakes though? I think I'd raise more preflop, but not because i'd fear my bet sizing would be exploitable otherwise. QQ can play awkwardly oop especially in a multiway pot so I'd go for 5-6x to try and get this pot HU or 3 handed at the most.
I think with AA, 4x can be more ideal when there are no thinking players and there is little risk of anyone realising that is this a squeze size made with your value range only.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
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Originally Posted by iopq
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
yea we got like 1/6th of our stack in, no reason to make it bigger and blow a ton of worse hands out of the pot
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OK, but are we really squeezing as a bluff the same amount? If we're only doing this betsize for value, our opponents can put us on a range of AK,QQ+ |
Why are we worried about balancing at these stakes though? I think I'd raise more preflop, but not because i'd fear my bet sizing would be exploitable otherwise. QQ can play awkwardly oop especially in a multiway pot so I'd go for 5-6x to try and get this pot HU or 3 handed at the most.
I think with AA, 4x can be more ideal when there are no thinking players and there is little risk of anyone realising that is this a squeze size made with your value range only. |
we're balancing because it makes our entire range play better
if we constantly get less money in with our big hands and get more money in with our bluffs, our profit is going to be lower
I mean in general, the strategy of "bet small when you have a good hand, bet big as a bluff" should be flawed from a theoretical perspective, unless we're exploiting a bigger flaw
however, given reads that the button will probably call with unreasonable hands it might be a small mistake that will induce a much bigger mistake
so in this particular situation, I do feel that raising small is a mistake, but we're hoping that the weaker player will make a worse mistake like calling with KTo, and stacking off on this flop, for example
so in this situation we're being exploitive of at least one of our opponent's tendencies
but we might be losing value in other subtle ways
if MP2 was a reg and we didn't know this and we 3b large he could decide to shove AQ against a perceived squeeze but would get cautious vs. a smaller 3b size
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bigspenda73
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Straight Flush
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there are just spots at these stakes where it's more +EV to be unbalanced. Like, against a station, we're normally v unbalanced, that's b/c we exploit their tendencies to never fold by only betting/raising/etc... with made hands.
I'd never squeeze here at this level, and being unbalanced doesn't matter b/c from a pure math standpoint we've raised to a large enough size that we've covered our bases from an implied-odds standpoint.
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