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Old 03-11-2009, 03:29 AM     Post subject: Best hand yet, played correctly? #1 (permalink)  
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BB ($0.60)
Hero (UTG) ($4.47)
UTG+1 ($6.32)
MP1 ($4.98)
MP2 ($5.35)
CO ($1.11)
Button ($5.10)
SB ($6.67)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $0.12, 4 folds, Button calls $0.12, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.27) 9, J, J (2 players)
Hero bets $0.10, Button calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.47) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.20, Button raises to $0.50, Hero calls $0.30

River: ($1.47) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.50, Button raises to $1.50, Hero raises to $3.75 (All-In), Button calls $2.25

Total pot: $8.97 | Rake: $0.40
 
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:36 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 -I raise less pre, but w/e it's cool.
-Bet more on the flop, like .18 or so. You'll get called by tons of PPs and overcards,, and you've got huge potential.
-Bet more on turn as well. I'd probably get it in here if possible. Any J, Q, or maybe even T is going to come along, and FHs aren't really that much of a concern.
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:00 AM #3 (permalink)  

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Raise pre = fine.

Flop: small bet is read as weak. you actually reduced the size of your bet from the preflop raise. 12c -> 10c. This is a good flop for you, keep your betting consistent. I'd amp up the flop bet to 20c.

Turn: Ask yourself, what is button calling your flop bet with? maybe Q10, maybe 10-8, maybe a jack, maybe a baby flush draw, maybe he's trying to float you with complete air. In most of these scenarios, if you check the turn, villain probably bet. I'd consider check-raising this turn to increase pot size, I don't think villain folds and of the aforementioned hands to a check-raise on the turn (except complete air).

BUT you bet and he raises.

Here you should be v. happy in my opinion. I would go over the top here. to 1.50 / shove. if he has a boat bad luck, nothing you can do. I prefer raising / shoving here for value against his strong hand which isn't a boat. Do you really think he's raising your bet on the turn with a boat? no. i think he flats you and raises river.

River: Complete blank. I'd check here and let villain bet again, which he has signalled the desire to do with his raise on the turn.

anyway, you bet, he raises, you shove. Good.

I'm putting villain on KJo here.
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:07 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Make your standard raise 3-4xbb preflop, bet more on flop say 2/3-3/4 pot. Bet more on turn 2/3 will do and 3b/try to get it all in on turn ldo.
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:23 AM #5 (permalink)  
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why did you flat the turn? try to bet more so that if he flats you'll be able to get it in on the river
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Old 03-11-2009, 04:43 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 It looks like it turned out well for you so I'm glad, but I probably would've bet heavier on the flop (probably 3/4 of the pot). Did you get nervous at all that he might be holding QJ? The rest of the hand is probably how I would've played it except I would've bet 1/2 - 3/4 of the pot on the turn depending on my opponent's playing style.
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:42 PM #7 (permalink)  

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-I raise less pre, but w/e it's cool.
-Bet more on the flop, like .18 or so. You'll get called by tons of PPs and overcards,, and you've got huge potential.
-Bet more on turn as well. I'd probably get it in here if possible. Any J, Q, or maybe even T is going to come along, and FHs aren't really that much of a concern.
He'll also get called by tons of pocket pairs and paint cards preflop. Which is why I think his raise size is fine.

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Make your standard raise 3-4xbb preflop, bet more on flop say 2/3-3/4 pot. Bet more on turn 2/3 will do and 3b/try to get it all in on turn ldo.
This is good advice if you are trying to get in the habit of making standard sized raises preflop, but one of the huge exceptions at 2nl is that people will call almost any decent sized bet with almost any two cards. To crush 2nl, you've got to play a bit differently than you normally would at other limits. I actually think his preflop raise isn't high enough. Of course, it's villian dependent, but your average player at 2nl probably has an vpip of 40+. Exploit this by raising huge with hands that have huge equity. Also, if you're playing with 100bbs, open shoving AA is probably the most profitable thing you'll ever do at 2nl.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:23 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Exploit this by raising huge with hands that have huge equity. Also, if you're playing with 100bbs, open shoving AA is probably the most profitable thing you'll ever do at 2nl.
Could someone confirm this? I feel the same way at times, and at others, I don't. Does it just depend on the looseness of the table? I don't know about you guys, but I've gotten so many folds PF with AA betting anywhere around 10bb. I hate it when tables are as tight as a girl at prom...
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:15 PM #9 (permalink)  
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xpaand at 2nl 6max this is really profitable. I did it the last month i was there and its ridiculous what u get called with. no one believes u shove AA lol. But at FR i have no idea. Try it out 5-10 times see if it works.
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:45 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Yeah it doesn't really work in my experience at FR. Should I consider trying out 6max? I haven't yet, just because I've been studying the dynamics of FR but I'd definitely try it if you guys recommend it.
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If I bet as a bluff, I should be thinking "am I getting better hands to fold? Is it likely that he will fold x% of the time to a y sized bet to make it +EV?". If I bet for value, I should be thinking "am I getting worst hands to call? Am I ahead of enough of his range that this is a good value bet?".
 
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:50 PM #11 (permalink)  
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I hear its more profitable for winning players. More hands per hour. With the same fish.
 
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Old 03-11-2009, 10:55 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Just stick with FR. Seriously, I'm switching over to FR just because I've heard that FR is softer than 6max at 25nl+ so I figured id switch while it is still easy to do so, and you dont HAVE to shove AA PF, its just a suggestion; one that works at ONE limit, lol.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:35 AM #13 (permalink)  
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BABY IM ARR INNNN ON THE TURN!!!

4x raise pre
bet more on flop
bet more on turn
3bet turn and keep betting until its all in the middle
 
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