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journey075
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08-26-2005, 03:50 AM
Post subject: becoming a calling station when trying to detect a bluff..
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
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this has happened twice to me recently where the villain would raise oop preflop and i would either reraise or call with AQ. the flop would come A high and i would bet pot and he would call. on the turn he would hit his set and go nuts with betting and id just go into check/call mode because his pattern made no sense.
basically, is it wrong for me to go into check/call when i sense that somebodys betting pattern doesnt make sense and my hand is fairly strong.
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Peja
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Join Date: Jun 2005
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Either that or check/fold pattern. This was discussed in HoH about how when you dont see patterns or something unusual comes up, be very careful and the best way is to check/call or check/fold it.
He isnt always going to hit 2 outers....just keep doing what you're doing.
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DaNutsInYoEye
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: St. Louis
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Generally speaking, people don't bluff into strength. From what you described, you aren't exactly crying out that you're weak. Without a solid read, top pair is typically an easy lay down for me when people are coming over the top of me in a cash game.
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TheXianti: (Triptanes) why are you not a thinking person?
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Checkways
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08-26-2005, 09:44 AM
Post subject: Re: becoming a calling station when trying to detect a bluff
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Straight
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 249
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If he check raised you on the turn, then you definitely should have folded unless he's a total maniac. But it's a tough decision when they bet into you on the turn if all they did was check call the flop. It's a really strange bet when a blank comes out on the turn. For me it's just a matter of reads plus the "how much is this hand going to cost me" decision. With two deep stacks against an aggressive player, I don't want to call a large bet on the turn and then call an even bigger bet on the river when I might be drawing dead. Better to let them do their strange bluff on you. Almost always, it's not a bluff unless they bet small. If they bet around the same amount that you would have bet, that may warrant a call. Sometimes they have top pair and a weaker kicker and they don't believe your cont bet and don't want to give you a free card. For that reason, you may want to call.
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journey075
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Full House
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 725
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i like the defensive pot-control idea. i think im going to think about how much the hand will cost me to showdown more than any other factor.
thankz for da help.
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Rondavu
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2005
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by journey075
i like the defensive pot-control idea. i think im going to think about how much the hand will cost me to showdown more than any other factor.
thankz for da help.
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Reverse implied odds and respect are the equation. The biggest leak in a new players game is the inability to detect a better hand and fold for a better opportunity.
Always respect a raise on late streets unless you have a specific reason not to. Think about what he thinks you have, and then think about how he knows he's beating what he thinks you have. That's it.
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