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Old 03-18-2011, 03:37 AM     Post subject: BC Quick Check #1 (permalink)  
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This thread is for quick line checks. This isn't for long analysis just a quick, looks good or 3b to $11. Fwiw $10 is the correct size here but it's just an example.

Button ($76.40)
Hero (SB) ($100)
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MP1 ($213.35)
MP2 ($100)
CO ($108.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
2 folds, MP2 bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $25, Hero raises to $100 (All-In), MP2 calls $75 (All-In)


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Old 03-18-2011, 08:52 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 03-18-2011, 11:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I reckon villain has A2s, so shove, the muppet will call.

Seriously though, we still need reads...
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:11 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Guy is 18/14 over 80 hands, 10% (1/10) 3bet, seen him on other tables. UTG is unknown.

4bet to $2.60 ok? Don't really like flatting since we'll be oop 3 way and their ranges should be stronger than average in this spot.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:19 PM #6 (permalink)  
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$2.20 - $2.30
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:45 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is BB
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Flop: ($0.85, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60

Turn: ($2.05, 2 players)
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what now? villain is 16/6 over 100ish hands nothing specific on him i don't remember him , just sat down at the table this is my 2nd orbit the flop smashes right into what i imagine him to be limp calling
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c/f turn
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Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is BB
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Flop: ($0.25, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.65, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.60, UTG+1 calls $0.60

River: ($1.85, 2 players)
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c/f turn done and done glad to know
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:27 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:32 PM #12 (permalink)  
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went for 1 dollar bet fold he called showed up with QT clubs note taken original limping range stretched a little
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:46 PM #13 (permalink)  
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$2.20 - $2.30
I am interested in why this is the correct size, or in a post/thread/article talking about 3/4b sizing? Same question for your OP.
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:50 PM #14 (permalink)  
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AA - I like $2.45
QQ - time to give up on that turn
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This thread is for quick line checks. This isn't for long analysis just a quick, looks good or 3b to $11. Fwiw $10 is the correct size here but it's just an example.

Button ($76.40)
Hero (SB) ($100)
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UTG ($90.15)
MP1 ($213.35)
MP2 ($100)
CO ($108.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
2 folds, MP2 bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $25, Hero raises to $100 (All-In), MP2 calls $75 (All-In)


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Old 03-18-2011, 09:34 PM #16 (permalink)  
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villain 50-20, we've obviously been getting involved some. Table isn't noticing cos blind nits etc.
I stacked him once already AK>A7
pot?
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Preflop: Hero is MP with J, Q
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Flop: ($5.25) 10, K, A (2 players)
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probably pot pot jam

and one of my favorite tricks was if he snap calls the flop, to snap pot and snap jam river, don't give him time to think
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probably pot pot jam

and one of my favorite tricks was if he snap calls the flop, to snap pot and snap jam river, don't give him time to think
get him on a roll, i like.


villain is probably really bad, but lol 1 orbit sample size
flop sizing good or terrible?
trigger on the turn?

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MP2 ($72.10)
MP3 ($50)
CO ($56.45)
Hero (Button) ($50)
SB ($47.55)
BB ($77.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, 10
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 3 folds, Hero bets $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75

Flop: ($7) 6, 7, 8 (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $4, 1 fold, MP1 calls $4

Turn: ($15) 4 (2 players)
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:29 AM #19 (permalink)  
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I am interested in why this is the correct size, or in a post/thread/article talking about 3/4b sizing? Same question for your OP.
because we want him to continue pre with his entire range. regardless of position, AA with this small of spr and these strong of ranges is pretty much invulnerable. might go a tad bigger with KK
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Cbet of $6 seems good as does shoving the turn.
 
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:10 PM #21 (permalink)  
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BB ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 8 players) kickass is BTN
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 3 folds, kickass raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.35, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30, 3 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, kickass bets $1.30, SB calls $1.30, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($3.90, 2 players)
SB checks, kickass ($8.62)?

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i went for b/f 2.6 he called and jammed 3s river nehmind.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:34 PM #24 (permalink)  
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Daven, I'd bet flop a bit bigger just make jamming the turn easier, probably $5-6, folding to a c/r from either player. I'm not too concerned with him a having a lot of 5's in his range, but its kind of an interesting spot since I expect him to show up with a set here at least some of the time.

I guess he could be l/c Ax, Kxs, Qxs? I feel like jamming the turn is really really thin, but I don't really know what other line to take? I don't like b/f since he can spazz with like pair + draw, FD, 6x-8x, etc. But bet/call feels pretty nasty too since 44, 66-88. Idk, I'd probably ship in game and forget about the hand as soon as I did it to avoid tilt when he shows me 64o lol.

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Bet/folding $2 is too small, if you going to go for a b/f, you want to make it look like a solid value bet since people (even fish) are more prone to playing back vs smaller bet sizes. 2.60 is good, 3-3.25 would be better.

It just looks like you're trying to get some really solid value out of your hand and (most) villains aren't going to be playing back with air into what appears to be strength.
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Old 03-20-2011, 12:38 PM #25 (permalink)  
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Also, ty for this bikes, will be using this fairly frequently unless one opens up in the FR forum.
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utg is tag reg like 24/20 over 20 hands or something
no history vs him
other guy is random drooler like 80/0 over 20
lolsizing? turn too thin? now i kinda wanna puke
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Hero (Button) ($28.78)
SB ($20.86)
BB ($25)
UTG ($26.46)
MP ($7.71)
CO ($52.15)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, Q
UTG bets $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($7.20) 7, 10, K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.75, UTG calls $3.75

Turn: ($14.70) 7 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $6.75, UTG raises to $19.71 (All-In), Hero calls $12.96

River: ($54.12) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $54.12 | Rake: $2.70
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Old 03-21-2011, 12:33 AM #27 (permalink)  
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how much bigger do u make it?
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about $8.25 i don't ever want him to fold his QQd or JJd on the river and 4:1 is just fml i guess i call.

these should be his most likely hands, but i have no idea how games on AP play. he may not even have them.
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i guess i was thinking that i would be able to get another street from QQ/JJ no FD significantly more often and wasn't really worried about building the pot to give better odds on the river if i did go for another street. i guess i should just give up trying to price in those non FD QQ/JJ hands because it's not like hes necessarily calling such a small bet with them anyway.
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CO ($19.07)
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SB ($32.50)
BB ($49.64)
UTG ($22.87)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, J
UTG bets $0.75, MP calls $0.75, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) 3, 3, A (3 players)
UTG bets $2, MP calls $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($8.60) 7 (3 players)
UTG bets $6, MP calls $6,
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MP3 ($7.31)
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BTN ($10)
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BB ($10)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 9 players) kickass is SB
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, MP1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP3 calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.65, 1 fold, kickass raises to $1.90, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $1.80, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($6, 3 players)
kickass ($8.1)?


2nd hand of the whole session just sat down AA nice...nice big 4 bet try and get stacks in nobody know me i don't know anybody..... WTF 2 callers limp called 4 bet who the fuck is this guy.
just shove the flop hope somebody hit it or is fishy enough to call
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its not a 4b and 2 people didn't limp call it, only 1 did. you could shove or gaybet flop shove turn because of how dry it is, i don't really think any way you play it after the flop is going to make you much more money than any other way
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I'm reading this, and playing this hand at the same time. Checking flop in way ahead/way behind situations gets super weak call downs. 3bet pot, so it's still easy to get stacks in on turn and river. It's also nice to balance your delay cbet range too.


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CO ($16.53)
Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($27.81)
BB ($20.11)
UTG ($26.55)
MP ($28.06)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, A
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero bets $1.10, 2 folds, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.55) 10, A, A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.55) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75

River: ($6.05) A (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $5, MP calls $5

Total pot: $16.05 | Rake: $0.80

Results:
Hero had 10, A (four of a kind, Aces).
MP had Q, K (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $15.25
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dont check flop
reason?

I fold out just about everything with a bet. Or will pocket pairs come a long anyway? I feel that any PP gets pretty comfy after I don't bet, and will be more likely to call two streets.

Of course a K Q J would kill any action from a lower PP.

Pretty unlikely to get counter-fitted.

Thanks Bikes, now you got me talking to myself.
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Old 03-22-2011, 12:16 AM #39 (permalink)  
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kickass bet like $1.75 (obv calling a jam)

bet bet jam in the AT hand
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I like a gross overbet on the river as played. Like $8 or something.

Otherwise just bet/bet/bet because its going to be a lot more profitable in the long run.
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saw flop

Hero (BB) ($35.68)
UTG ($43.73)
UTG+1 ($29.95)
MP1 ($110.86)
MP2 ($12.07)
MP3 ($56.46)
CO ($31.12)
Button ($25.91)
SB ($14.47)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
4 folds, MP3 bets $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP3 calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.10) 10, J, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $2.56, MP3 calls $2.56

Turn: ($10.22) 6 (2 players)

Total pot: $10.22

Villain is 13/11, 76% fold to 3bet over 402 hands.

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Old 03-22-2011, 03:14 AM #42 (permalink)  
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bet again
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THOUGHTS ON THE ENTIRE HAND, flop-river please.

Are you bet/folding turn and river?

Bet/folding flop?

bet/fold flop and turn, c/c river? c/f? Clearly card dependent, but what cards are you barreling, checking, etc. This is a spot where I always feel disgusting.
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BTN ($8.72)
SB ($5.09)
BB ($5)

Pre-Flop: ($0.07, 6 players) kickass is CO
2 folds, kickass raises to $0.15, BTN raises to $0.52, 2 folds, kickass calls $0.37

Flop: ($1.11, 2 players)
kickass checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($1.11, 2 players)
kickass bets $0.85, BTN calls $0.85

River: ($2.81, 2 players)
kickass ($3.7)?


without reads what do I do here.... any idea on his range? I don't play 6 max usually he is 22 /14 mostly late position raising/stealing. its this guys first 3 bet. what doesn't he c bet this flop with?
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Villian is 16/2 with 0% Steals and 0% 3bet over 250 hands. I guess we should give him credit when he bets.

He limp/3bets PF. His range may be a bit wide due to him being short. I'd still put him on QQ+, AK. So, we should?

0) Fold
1) 4bet to around 2.20-2.50 and fold to a shove.
2) He's shortstacked, so just shove.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K
2 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1, Hero ???
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don't 4bet/fold whatever you do. in fact don't 4bet unless you want the money in.
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THOUGHTS ON THE ENTIRE HAND, flop-river please.

Are you bet/folding turn and river?

Bet/folding flop?

bet/fold flop and turn, c/c river? c/f? Clearly card dependent, but what cards are you barreling, checking, etc. This is a spot where I always feel disgusting.
what part of answering this falls under the umbrella of "quick check" lol.
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p2w obv shoves are obvious....maybe if he was 3betting and some other 0/0 over 1000 4bet shoves i could find a fold, idk

and @ kickass...id check/eval leaning towards folding tbh. Say hes 3betting 99+ AQ+ with some random A5s KJo bluffs thrown in or w/e.

KJo is like the only hand we can get value from on the river. All his pp's are either sets or bigger than ours...He's not calling a bet with A-high, but he could have some flushes. If you think he is turning enough hands into a bluff given our FOS line then we have a good bluff catcher.
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