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Extremophile
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12-17-2008, 06:51 AM
Post subject: BB's response to SB's all in
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Flush
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Being the BB, how do you respond to SB's all in?
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Parasurama
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Full House
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It depends on the betting, the size of the all in, reads on the SB, your hand, action in the last few hands, if there are other players in the pot...What were you looking for with this question? Is it about a specific hand? Is this about playing in blind vs. blind in general? I don't know what to say except "it depends."
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Extremophile
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Flush
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I have seen this situation so many times when BB and SB are heads up. People even go all in with even number of chips and any time. They go all in with terrible hands. I sometimes cant take myself accepting the offer but there is a probability of losing all your cihips.
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Sklansky-Chubukov hand rankings
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mcatdog
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4-of-a-Kind
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Are you talking about a tournament or a cash game?
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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I respond by clicking 1 of 2 buttons
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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bigred
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
I respond by clicking 1 of 2 buttons
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A or B on your nintendo?
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LOL OPERATIONS
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grindinginnj
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Straight
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I need more info..A:call...B:Fold
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jackvance
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12-17-2008, 06:27 PM
Post subject: Re: BB's response to SB's all in
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Extremophile
Being the BB, how do you respond to SB's all in?
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Reraise him.
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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Extremophile
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Huh. I didn't know about these A and B buttons. What are they used for? Reraising is another clever idea; I will try it next time.
Thank you all for your comments. I think the answer I was looking for is Sklansky-Chubukov hand rankings. I ll try to figure it out. Thanks iopq!
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AFchung
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Full House
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wow, why's everyone giving such bad advice?
check.
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frosst
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Straight
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Originally Posted by Extremophile
Huh. I didn't know about these A and B buttons. What are they used for? Reraising is another clever idea; I will try it next time.
Thank you all for your comments. I think the answer I was looking for is Sklansky-Chubukov hand rankings. I ll try to figure it out. Thanks iopq!
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spoonitnow
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Straight Flush
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Originally Posted by iopq
Sklansky-Chubukov hand rankings
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These aren't optimal, and they don't tell you what to call with.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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bigred
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12-18-2008, 01:11 AM
Post subject: Re: BB's response to SB's all in
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PROFESSIONAL TROLL
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Originally Posted by Extremophile
Being the BB, how do you respond to SB's all in?
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I would search for pokerstove in the forums for how to use it and then download it on the net. This will answer a lot of your questions.
ICM calculator is good for SNGs.
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LOL OPERATIONS
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GatorJH
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12-18-2008, 04:41 AM
Post subject: Re: BB's response to SB's all in
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by bigred
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Originally Posted by Extremophile
Being the BB, how do you respond to SB's all in?
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I would search for pokerstove in the forums for how to use it and then download it on the net. This will answer a lot of your questions.
ICM calculator is good for SNGs. |
best advice for such a vague question. If you can put SB on a range either of these apps will tell you if calling with particular hands is +EV.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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nice_aiau
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Flush
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Originally Posted by frosst
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Originally Posted by Extremophile
Huh. I didn't know about these A and B buttons. What are they used for? Reraising is another clever idea; I will try it next time.
Thank you all for your comments. I think the answer I was looking for is Sklansky-Chubukov hand rankings. I ll try to figure it out. Thanks iopq!
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Extremophile
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12-18-2008, 04:31 PM
Post subject: Re: BB's response to SB's all in
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
best advice for such a vague question. If you can put SB on a range either of these apps will tell you if calling with particular hands is +EV. I dont know what +EV is but thanks anyways.
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I thought it was OK to ask vague questions without getting insulted by the respondants since this is beginners circle. Thanks for evaluating my question as "vague".
How do you want me to reply those "press A or B buttons" or "reraise the guy who is already all in" ?
Thank you bigred, I have downloaded pokerstove. Are we allowed to use it during the games?
Thanks
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GatorJH
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12-18-2008, 04:58 PM
Post subject: Re: BB's response to SB's all in
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Extremophile
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Originally Posted by GatorJH
best advice for such a vague question. If you can put SB on a range either of these apps will tell you if calling with particular hands is +EV. I dont know what +EV is but thanks anyways.
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I thought it was OK to ask vague questions without getting insulted by the respondants since this is beginners circle. Thanks for evaluating my question as "vague".
How do you want me to reply those "press A or B buttons" or "reraise the guy who is already all in" ?
Thank you bigred, I have downloaded pokerstove. Are we allowed to use it during the games?
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You can definitely ask vague questions here, however you will need to be thick skinned enough to handle some of the responses you got here (such as the "A and B button" ones). I was merely tyring to reiterate that Bigreds suggestion was the one that you should take note of. Sorry if my reply came off any differently.
As for replying to those types of response my advice would be don't unless you are ok with some good natured ribbing.
One of the things that you will learn as your progress in your poker playing ability is that it is such a situational game that vague questions such as yours are extremely tough to answer. There will be at least 4+ factors in each situation that will lead you to the answer of how you should play certain hands in the BB against a SB shove.
As for using pokerstove while you are playing there are two factors related to that question. Technically using these apps while playing is generally prohibited and some sites are starting to put in measures that won't allow you to have these types of programs open while playing. With that said, if you can open the program while playing then use it.
Before you try using it during play though you may want to use it while reviewing HH's until you get pretty good at inputting hands and ranges into the program. This will enable you to use it in an efficient mannor without it being to disruptive to your game.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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GatorJH
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I just realized that you had "I don't know what +EV is but thanks anyway" embedded in my quote.
+EV is short for positive expectation value and is a term that, in general, means if you make a move for a certain situation hundreds of times you should expect that move to be either +EV or -EV. In other words you would expect the value of that hand to either have a positive effect on your bankroll or a negative effect.
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Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
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gingerwizard
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12-18-2008, 05:08 PM
Post subject: Re: BB's response to SB's all in
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4-of-a-Kind
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I dont know what +EV is but thanks anyways.
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You need to stop playing poker immediately and learn what it is, and why it is important. Read some stickies (at the top of the beginner section), maybe read Harrington on Holdem, or the book by sklansky.
You can only make money playing poker if you understand EV, and why you want your decisions to be +EV.
In fact I think this is as if not more important than hand rankings and understanding what a blind is.
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This is not my signature. I just write this at the bottom of every post.
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jackvance
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Wait this was a serious question?
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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