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SweetP
Old 02-19-2008, 03:33 PM     Post subject: Bad run with premium hands. #1 (permalink)  

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I seem to be having a bad run at the moment and it seems that when I'm dealt a decent hand it gets stomped on. Here's a small sampling of a few of them from the last week. Any suggestions for improvement would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, have a good laugh on me.

All of the tournaments are $1.00 on PS. The 45 Player ones are mostly the 100K Sats. (Does anyone play these? Is it me or have they got tougher lately?)

45 Player SnG 11/02/2008
Just one of those things. Not sure I'd have played it differently though.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB (t3470)
UTG (t5135)
Hero (t2555)
MP1 (t4075)
MP2 (t2140)
MP3 (t2590)
CO (t6695)
Button (t3195)
SB (t910)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Ac, Ks.
1 fold, Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, CO raises to t1200, 3 folds, Hero raises to t2555, CO calls t1355.

Flop: (t5335) 3c, Qc, 7s (2 players)

Turn: (t5335) 5s (2 players)

River: (t5335) 3h (2 players)

Final Pot: t5335

Results:
Hero shows [Ac Ks] (a pair of Threes)
CO shows [Qd Qh] (a full house, Queens full of Threes)


18 Player SnG 11/02/2008
Villians initial raise felt like a steal. I definitely didn't believe he had AA, KK or AK or he'd have pushed my PF raise, so I bet just enough on the flop to make chasing a bad decision. Either way I was quite happy to get it in before the Turn.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 (t3730)
MP2 (t8395)
CO (t1150)
Button (t1985)
SB (t2980)
Hero (t2600)
UTG (t3895)
UTG+1 (t2035)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Qc, Ac.
5 folds, Button raises to t285, 1 fold, Hero raises to t500, Button calls t215.

Flop: (t1050) 3c, Ks, As (2 players)
Hero bets t500, Button raises to t1485, Hero calls t985.

Turn: (t4020) Jh (2 players)

River: (t4020) 7h (2 players)

Final Pot: t4020

Results:
Hero shows [Qc Ac] (a pair of Aces)
Button shows [Ah Jd] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)


18 Player SnG 11/02/2008
The plan on this one was to try and induce a raise by limping. I needed to go AI and win to have any chance of winning.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1500)
BB (t9140)
UTG (t12780)
Button (t3580)

Preflop: Hero is SB with As, Qd.
2 folds, Hero completes, BB raises to t9115, Hero calls t1075 (All-In).

Flop: (t10465) Tc, Kd, Kh (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t10465) Qh (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t10465) Ah (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2650

Results:
Hero shows [As Qd] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
BB shows [Qc Jc] (a straight, Ten to Ace)


45 Player SnG 13/02/2008
I think CO played this badly calling off a big chunk of his stack into an EP re-raise. Post flop I don't think either player can justify their calls as I'd given every indication I was holding a overpair.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO (t2820)
Button (t1850)
Hero (t1245)
BB (t1300)
UTG (t1710)
UTG+1 (t1815)
MP1 (t6840)
MP2 (t3395)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Kd, Kh.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 calls t30, MP2 raises to t150, CO calls t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t570, 1 fold, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t540, MP2 calls t420, CO calls t420.

Flop: (t2340) 7d, 4s, Tc (4 players)
Hero bets t675 (All-In), MP1 folds, MP2 calls t675, CO raises to t2250, MP2 calls t1575.

Turn: (t7515) Th (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t7515) Ac (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t7515

Results:
MP2 shows [Ah Ks] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
CO shows [Td Jd] (three of a kind, Tens)
Hero shows [Kd Kh] (two pair, Kings and Tens)


18 Player SnG 13/02/2008
Villain here had won a 4-way AI earlier in the tournament with KJs, so I didn't have too much respect for his play. (I'd post the hand, but can't find it.)
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero (t1823)
CO (t1140)
Button (t228)
SB (t9842)
BB (t9025)
UTG (t3142)
MP1 (t1800)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Kd, Ks.
2 folds, Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t1150) Jd, 3s, 3d (2 players)
BB bets t400, Hero raises to t800, BB calls t400.

Turn: (t2750) Kc (2 players)
BB bets t400, Hero calls t398 (All-In).

River: (t3548) Ts (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3546

Results:
BB shows [Ad 2h] (a pair of Threes)
Hero shows [Kd Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Threes)


Very next hand, same villain.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed)

Hero (t3871)
MP2 (t1115)
CO (t203)
Button (t9717)
SB (t7202)
BB (t3117)
UTG (t1775)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Qh, Qd.
1 fold, Hero raises to t600, 1 fold, CO calls t178 (All-In), 1 fold, SB calls t500, 1 fold.

Flop: (t1428) 2c, 2d, 7c (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets t1200, SB calls t1200.

Turn: (t3828) 4d (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB checks, Hero bets t2000, SB calls t2000.

River: (t7828) Ah (3 players, 1 all-in)
SB bets t200, Hero calls t46 (All-In).

Final Pot: t7920

Results:
SB shows [As 5d] (two pair, Aces and Deuces)
Hero shows [Qh Qd] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
CO shows [6h 3h] (a pair of Deuces)


45 Player SnG 15/02/2008
Not sure if I could have played this any differently other than to raise more PF. I think I played it badly on the flop, but not sure how to get away from this.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO (t2590)
Button (t810)
SB (t4965)
BB (t2410)
UTG (t7240)
UTG+1 (t4700)
MP1 (t1540)
MP2 (t100)
Hero (t3030)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Kd.
UTG calls t150, 3 folds, Hero raises to t750, CO calls t750, 3 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: (t1875) Tc, 7h, Td (2 players)
Hero bets t600, CO raises to t1840, Hero calls t1240.

Turn: (t5555) 6d (2 players)

River: (t5555) 8h (2 players)

Final Pot: t5555

Results:
Hero shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
CO shows [7s 7c] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)


45 Player SnG 16/02/2008
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB (t2805)
BB (t1310)
UTG (t7930)
UTG+1 (t4860)
MP1 (t2425)
Hero (t1415)
MP3 (t1280)
CO (t2435)
Button (t5265)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Kh, Kd.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t650, 2 folds, Button calls t650, 2 folds, UTG+1 raises to t4860, Hero calls t765 (All-In), Button calls t4210.

Flop: (t11210) 4d, 2c, 9d (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t11210) Th (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t11210) 7h (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t11210

Results:
UTG+1 shows [Ac Ks] (high card Ace)
Button shows [Ts Tc] (three of a kind, Tens)
Hero shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings)


18 Player SnG 18/02/2008
This is just horrible. Can't imagine what villain thought he was beating PF and on the flop.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1920)
CO (t2290)
Hero (t1410)
SB (t1460)
BB (t1260)
UTG (t1300)
UTG+1 (t880)
MP1 (t1480)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Qh, As.
5 folds, CO calls t20, Hero raises to t100, 1 fold, BB calls t80, CO folds.

Flop: (t230) 6c, Qc, 3d (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t150, BB raises to t300, Hero raises to t450, BB raises to t600, Hero raises to t1610, BB calls t560 (All-In).

Turn: (t3000) 8d (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3000) 6d (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2550

Results:
BB shows [6h Jc] (three of a kind, Sixes)
Hero shows [Qh As] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)


Same tournament several nail biting AI's and a few levels later...
Big Blind is t100 (5 handed)

SB (t1800)
BB (t965)
Hero (t2730)
MP (t2755)
Button (t4690)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qs, Qh.
Hero raises to t500, 1 fold, Button calls t500, 1 fold, BB raises to t965, Hero raises to t2730, Button folds.

Flop: (t4245) Kd, 9d, 2d (2 players)

Turn: (t4245) Jh (2 players)

River: (t4245) Ac (2 players)

Final Pot: t2480

Results:
BB shows [Kh Tc] (a pair of Kings)
Hero shows [Qs Qh] (a pair of Queens)
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Old 02-19-2008, 03:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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this will be moved to the bad beats forums, I am sorry but really everyone has sen bad beats before and truthfully it is a part of the game. There really is no content to this post.
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Old 02-19-2008, 04:20 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Variance... what an ugly bitch...

If you have the stomach for it, read some of the posts by experienced FTR posters where they talk about going on 40 BI downswings...
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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this will be moved to the bad beats forums, I am sorry but really everyone has sen bad beats before and truthfully it is a part of the game. There really is no content to this post.
nuff said
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Old 02-20-2008, 04:51 PM #5 (permalink)  
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this will be moved to the bad beats forums, I am sorry but really everyone has sen bad beats before and truthfully it is a part of the game. There really is no content to this post.
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True, gator, but my advice is to get PokeEV (free download, add-on to PT). Look at your "luck" graphs. You'll find that you've won when you shouldn't have, too. Over time (40k+ hands), the luck evens out. The rest is all trying not to suck.
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this will be moved to the bad beats forums, I am sorry but really everyone has sen bad beats before and truthfully it is a part of the game. There really is no content to this post.
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True, gator, but my advice is to get PokeEV (free download, add-on to PT). Look at your "luck" graphs. You'll find that you've won when you shouldn't have, too. Over time (40k+ hands), the luck evens out. The rest is all trying not to suck.
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Now i'm having database problems...

How did you get it to recognize the PT database? I'm running PT v3.00 beta 4... wonder if that's my problem...
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this will be moved to the bad beats forums, I am sorry but really everyone has sen bad beats before and truthfully it is a part of the game. There really is no content to this post.
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True, gator, but my advice is to get PokeEV (free download, add-on to PT). Look at your "luck" graphs. You'll find that you've won when you shouldn't have, too. Over time (40k+ hands), the luck evens out. The rest is all trying not to suck.
ldo

Hell, I finished second in a tourney today where I made at least two suckouts and was victim to two others. I know it happens, its poker. I was reiterating the fact that this thread belongs in the Bad Beat forum as there is minimal content in it.
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Old 02-20-2008, 08:00 PM     Post subject: Re: Bad run with premium hands. #9 (permalink)  

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45 Player SnG 15/02/2008
Not sure if I could have played this any differently other than to raise more PF. I think I played it badly on the flop, but not sure how to get away from this.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) Pokerstars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO (t2590)
Button (t810)
SB (t4965)
BB (t2410)
UTG (t7240)
UTG+1 (t4700)
MP1 (t1540)
MP2 (t100)
Hero (t3030)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Ks, Kd.
UTG calls t150, 3 folds, Hero raises to t750, CO calls t750, 3 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: (t1875) Tc, 7h, Td (2 players)
Hero bets t600, CO raises to t1840, Hero calls t1240.

Turn: (t5555) 6d (2 players)

River: (t5555) 8h (2 players)

Final Pot: t5555

Results:
Hero shows [Ks Kd] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
CO shows [7s 7c] (a full house, Sevens full of Tens)

Does this strike anyone else as a great time for a check/call line on the flop? Seems like a major WA/WB situation to me. And if you are ahead, the most outs your opp is likely to have is 3 (89 aside and not necessarily in opps range anyway).
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Now i'm having database problems...

How did you get it to recognize the PT database? I'm running PT v3.00 beta 4... wonder if that's my problem...
Yeah, I don't think the add-ons like Poker Grapher and PokerEV have been updated to PT3, yet. PT3 uses a different database architecture (SQL instead MS Access) which is FASTER (yay!! - that's one problem with PT and big databases, it was very sloooooooooowwwww).

It won't take long for everything to be updated, though. PT3 full version is slated for full release any day now, and the updated PAHUD has been in development side-by-side with Pat's team of PT3'ers.

All the add-ons will probably have new versions out by the end of March, if PT3 gets release in the next couple of weeks.
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