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IowaSkinsFan
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12-31-2006, 09:12 AM
Post subject: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all inand hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet?
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Fnord
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I think the answer is that barring a really really terrible player read online you need to just make a value bet and accept that you're not going to win a big pot without building one up first. Your best hope is to draw a bluff raise (almost never happens) or get someone to make a river raise with something slow played (Backwards Aces, set, rivered second best.) Once raised, then you can consider an over-the-top-re-raise.
That being said, if you're playing a funny laggy game that makes over-bets routinely into small pots you might actually get a call. For the more TAggy sorts, I just don't think it's gonna happen.
This is exactly why I like to bet into nothing pots online if I have 4+ outs to the nuts.
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bbqsquirrel
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01-03-2007, 07:08 PM
Post subject: Re: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all in and hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet?
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I like overbetting just to make myself look like I am bluffing. If I'm OOP I'll almost always try a check-raise overbet.
Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860
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uscheese
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01-03-2007, 07:15 PM
Post subject: Re: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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[quote="bbqsquirrel"]
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Wow...talk about waiting too long to bet your pocket pair (a common theme of another discussion today)
also "backdooring the nuts" sounds kinda creepy to me
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Miffed22001
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01-06-2007, 11:45 PM
Post subject: Re: Backdooring the nuts in checked around small pots.
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Originally Posted by bbqsquirrel
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
What do you guys do most of the time where you have a really small pot, like 4BB pot, and you backdoored a straight or something. Do you just make a huge overbet all in and hope someone calls or do you actually make a small value bet? If the answer all in, how big does the pot have to be for you to make a value bet?
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I like overbetting just to make myself look like I am bluffing. If I'm OOP I'll almost always try a check-raise overbet.
Here is an extreme case, a hand that I posted before:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?618860 |
hmmmm.
Fwiw, getting the best value, no matter what that 'best' relates to in cash/bbs is the most important feature. I find people will show down bottom pair if you even just bet 1bb into a 4bb pot. That might actually be maximum value at times...
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