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Chopper

05-01-2007, 04:02 AM Post subject: back in the day..

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remember when this used to get called all the way around, and even RRed?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP1 ($8.05)
MP2 ($6.65)
MP3 ($8.65)
CO ($5.15)
Button ($13.95)
SB ($21.80)
Hero ($10)
UTG ($11.10)
UTG+1 ($11.90)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A

, A

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1 fold, MP1 raises to $0.4, MP2 calls $0.40, 2 folds, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.1, 1 fold, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: $3.35

can u believe that? at this level?

i truly think the game is tightening up now?

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NLHE lahooozaher

05-01-2007, 04:29 AM

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I remember back in the day but nowadays I try not to lose people so I just call and play for set value.

Pelion

05-01-2007, 11:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher

I remember back in the day but nowadays I try not to lose people so I just call and play for set value.

sarcasm?

gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.

bigspenda73: But how much did you win?

phantom_lord

05-01-2007, 12:39 PM

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bit of an overbet.

swiggidy

05-01-2007, 12:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by phantom_lord

bit of an overbet.

Yeah, $2 would be better.

It still happens sometimes. When it does you're still likely to stack someone. What sucks is this doesn't happen at 50NL+ anymore.

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djzcko

05-01-2007, 02:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

It still happens sometimes. When it does you're still likely to stack someone. What sucks is this doesn't happen at 50NL+ anymore.

Yeah, what happened to all of the fish? Since the US ban, it seems like the environment has gotten much tougher. I think a lot of it has to do with the decreased ability to instantly fund your poker account. It took me 3 weeks to fund my new account with AP....what fish is going to wait that long to play?

zook

05-01-2007, 04:27 PM

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Start doing the same thing with T9s.

Chopper

05-01-2007, 04:34 PM

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well, there is a disturbing trend i think. and i have found some evidence, finally, to support it.

how many of you use the "fish finder" features on the sites. i have been doing so lately. i guess because its no longer a given that there are several easy ones at every table you sit down at. but anyway, i have a couple of Superfishies that i track and sit down with every chance i get.

fish one, is a generous donator, but i originally found him at the 10 NL 6max tables. only saw him there one time. but, the next few times i saw him, he was at a 5 NL table. i cant go that low, to be honest, whats the point? but he was there, and last night i was going to take him off my list. when i searched him, i found him at the PLAY MONEY tables...multi-tabling. i thought....hmmmmm. busto? american? probably.

fish two, i see at the 25's. multi-tabling 6-7 tables. for a fish, thats a rare find, and i love him dearly. i have stacked him at least 3 times that i know of. but last night, i found him multi-tabling the 10's. hmmmmm. on his way down, too? i guess we'll find out as the days go on. not that i'm helping him stick around.

so, theres a little proof, possibly, that the fish are losing out, and not reloading.

lets hope the bill battle on Capitol Hill heats up...or ends quickly (that will never happen).

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

zook

05-01-2007, 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

so, theres a little proof, possibly, that the fish are losing out, and not reloading.

This has always been true. Most people have a limited amount of money to lose playing poker and neither the patience nor will to become a winning player.

If you're able to adjust your game to specific players and table conditions, NLHE will always be beatable.

biondino

05-01-2007, 05:26 PM

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This thread has reminded me of all the times I used to be able to push PF with AA and, more often than not, get a call. It's not even imaginable nowadays.

Though, maybe pushing SCs is the way forward, hmmm...

Chopper

05-01-2007, 08:33 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

so, theres a little proof, possibly, that the fish are losing out, and not reloading.

i understand your point, zook, and it is valid for sure. personally, i am not having any trouble beating the game...its just more rare to see the pf RR get called multi-way. and the "all-in first tourney hand" is all but gone.

i feel the fish that "love" poker, and 18 mos ago there were a lot more of them, are having trouble reloading. its not that they dont have the money...its because the USregs have made it more difficult for all but us degenerates to get money in. we degenerates arent going anywhere.

then again, most of us here prolly have not had to reload, unless our rolls were trapped in neteller while waiting for a huge bonus to emerge.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Lithium

05-01-2007, 08:43 PM

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There are still plenty of fish in the casinos. All you need to do is take a shower and put on some pants.

pgil

05-01-2007, 09:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithium

There are still plenty of fish in the casinos. All you need to do is take a shower and put on some pants.

blasphemer!! I can't remember the last time I wore pants while playing poker.

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Legendash

05-04-2007, 07:37 PM

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[quote="djzcko"]

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiggidy

Most fish were european anyway and guess what, there's still loads of them. You're just not allowed to play with them anymore.

In fact the bloody fish are schooling on some sites i play on and i'm turning into a bit of a fish trying to exploit the bastards, lots of limping on the button and such like, makes me feel a bit dirty but i think it's for the best.

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Chopper

05-04-2007, 09:05 PM

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i disagree w/ most fish being euros. how do you explain the overwhelming success at party and stars before, yet, after the regs, these are tougher sites? party would still be the hot site w/o americans, if what you are saying were true.

and crypto was getting tighter over a year ago anyway.

i agree we cannot follow fish everywhere anymore, but i think it has more to do with access, and no more bonus chasing, for the amounts like a year ago.

if it were the euros supplying the fish, they would still reload at stars, etc. ...they arent banned from those sites, you know. its the american fish that cant reload, and thats what is hurting the major sites. the disappearance of Mr. immediategratificationgamboolerUSguytryingtogetric hwithoutworkinghard. this is the land of opportunity, right? and none of us have to work, thanks to Sen Frist and his freedom fighting.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Chopper

05-04-2007, 09:05 PM

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besides, i thought you euros only played limit?

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

swiggidy

05-06-2007, 07:59 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

besides, i thought you euros only played omaha?

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Chopper

05-06-2007, 11:12 PM

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good stuff swiggs.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

Pants_101

05-09-2007, 12:10 PM

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I see various comments where people mention differences between US and Euro players, but no one ever says what the differences are? I've recently moved from Stars which is mixed, to Party which is german mainly

I hoped it would be a softer game but is it?

Must get more aggressive - Tonight we dine in $25NL! rah rah rah! etc

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