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Old 07-17-2009, 07:18 PM     Post subject: Baby Flush Draw hits on paired board #1 (permalink)  
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 The villain who posted in MP is 20/10/<1 over like 20 hands and hasn't shown anything down. villain in the BB is 30/9/2.3 over 50 hands. in other words, villains are uknown other than the fact that they're fish.

not the trickiest hand, but i really want my thought process to be evaluated here

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CO ($9.99)
Button ($8.25)
Hero (SB) ($25.70)
BB ($10.15)
UTG ($5.44)
MP ($2.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with ,
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

i don't always call here, but there's a poster and i'll be against two fish and i had been playing grand theft poker, so i figure i'm getting paid here every once in a while.

Flop: ($0.30) , , (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

so my options are pretty much always b/f or c/r here, but i'm not all that fond of this board. i don't like leading here because i get raised by better hands so often, and even if i'm flatted my reverse implied odds blow. c/r seems retarded because i'm getting shoved over so often (and oh btw my reverse implied odds still blow). so i pretty much check here with the intention of folding to just about any bet.

Turn: ($0.30) (3 players)
Hero bets $0.20, 1 fold, CO calls $0.20

i hit my baby flush and the pot is miniscule. i should probably pot this so i get paid more on the river by weaker holdings. the problem is that i'm betting without a plan. i'm pretty much betting because all my checking options blow (c/f is wtf, c/c is wtf weak and c/r is a sure way to win a small pot/lose a big one). so i have no plan if i get raised here. just b/c and c/c most rivers?

River: ($0.70) (2 players)
[color=#CC3333]Hero bets $0.40

i'm pretty sure my bet sizing is attrocious and should be more like $.90. i'm assuming this is a b/c 'cause this fish is raising here with Ax a lot to make up for lost value.
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Old 07-17-2009, 07:59 PM     Post subject: Re: Baby Flush Draw hits on paired board #2 (permalink)  
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i don't always call here, but there's a poster and i'll be against two fish and i had been playing grand theft poker, so i figure i'm getting paid here every once in a while.
Fold preflop. You have a bad hand oop and very little implied odds.

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so i pretty much check here with the intention of folding to just about any bet.
When you play bad hands oop, you aren't going to have a ton of great options very often, but check/fold here is pretty bad imo. Were you calling pf hoping to flop the flush? check/call is probably the best play here unless you think you have some fold equity by leading.

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i hit my baby flush and the pot is miniscule. i should probably pot this so i get paid more on the river by weaker holdings. the problem is that i'm betting without a plan.
This is why you played this hand in the first place. Your plan should be whatever will get stacks as often as possible. Yes, he could have a boat or a bigger flush, but if you are going to chicken out when you hit a flush with this hand, it makes the decision to play it even worse than it was already. He's going to call you with any pairs he might hold, any moderately big heart, and misc crap. You gotta remember that at these stakes people will pay you off with bad hands that you would never have guessed are even in their range. Monsters are a small part of his range.

Bet .30, push if raised, and plan on potting a non heart river (heart river is a little trickier since your flush then sucks).

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i'm pretty sure my bet sizing is attrocious and should be more like $.90. i'm assuming this is a b/c 'cause this fish is raising here with Ax a lot to make up for lost value.
Sounds OK. I'd pot the river and call a raise as long as it's not super big.
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 i completely understand the perspective of "it's bad to play 53s OOP if you're not going to play for stacks when your flush hits," and i agree. if flop were Q22, then i woulda never posted this hand 'cause i'm playing for stacks on the turn and i'm leading the river.

the fact that it's a board pair with A's COMPLETELY changes fish's stacking ranges: he never has an overpair, we have like 50% equity against Ax when considering his redraws and Qx is playing moxie far less often here.

not really sure how i should pot medium pocket pairs in his range and not really sure how much other "misc. crap" i can include either. i'm pretty sure any sort of consideration of ranges beyond "we're at 10nl and we have a flush" shows that bet/shoving is pretty bad in this spot
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:28 PM     Post subject: Re: Baby Flush Draw hits on paired board #4 (permalink)  
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i don't always call here, but there's a poster and i'll be against two fish and i had been playing grand theft poker, so i figure i'm getting paid here every once in a while.
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:33 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 yeah, def don't misinterpret my last post as saying i should def play 53s here, because i really questioned my play on every street other than the turn. what i meant was that i can't see how i should be in bombs away mode on the turn here (and the answer isn't because playing our baby flush for stacks here is the only way to justify calling pre because i'm not playing 87s for stacks here either).
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 A common fish tendency is to limp a lot of bad and medium aces. These guys are unknown fish.

If you're going to play this hand at all I actually think this is a good flop to continue on. The reason being is that villains range contains a good amount of strong hands like trips. Even if they have a Q in their hand, these donks are likely not wanting to fold for 2 streets of value.

So we should be c/c this flop imo because despite what you've said our implied odds are pretty damn good vs COs limping range - containing lots of aces and lots hands like QJ Q10 etc etc that he isn't likely to fold.

Like you said, I'd pot the turn and pot the river. He isn't folding anything for pot that he's calling 4/7ths pot with.

 
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remember that your implied odds increase as more players are in the pot. 35s plays terribly 3 way OOP. if 4+ people limped i'd consider completing
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