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Monsieur_chat
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12-28-2008, 05:22 PM
Post subject: Argh 2nl AQ is killing me...
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Don't know why but it feels like I'm being dealt AQo a hell of a lot and losing with it a hell of a lot. I think I played this pretty standard at first but got a bit lost towards the end.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
Hero (MP1) ($1.78)
MP2 ($1.89)
CO ($5.11)
Button ($4.75)
SB ($3.85)
BB ($2.21)
UTG ($1.18)
UTG+1 ($2.55)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with  , 
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, 4 folds, BB calls $0.08, 1 fold
Flop: ($0.23)  ,  ,  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.18, BB calls $0.18
Turn: ($0.59)  (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
River: ($0.59)  (2 players)
BB bets $0.20
Hero..?
I think that this typifies one of the main things I need to work on. Those hands which are definitely worth a raise and a c-bet on a dry board against few opponents I'm good with, the trouble is, like most 2nlers I suck after this stage, i.e when my c-bet doesn't take it down.
Any thoughts on handling the diminishing value of premium hands on 4th and 5th street much appreciated as it's driving me a bit nutty.
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bigspenda73
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I wouldn't cbet, if I did I'm betting this turn 150% of the time
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kmind
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I wouldn't cbet, if I did I'm betting this turn 150% of the time
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but i might cbet depending on villain
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jyms
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What spenda says. Not betting the turn makes you so easy to play against since I bet your betting the turn everytime you have TPTK. I have a ton of notes on people that I float constantly that have high Cbet and C/F turn stats. Even $0.30 on the turn will make you money so often, so long as you bet your TPTK, 2pr and sets the same way.
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Monsieur_chat
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Thanks for the advice guys, pretty much what I figured. This might be a stupid question but Spenda, can you explain why you advise against c-betting here?
Cheers.
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bigspenda73
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Why do you think I'd advise against cbetting the flop?
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Monsieur_chat
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Ummm.... OK let's think this through...
The usual reasons I'd avoid c-betting is if I've missed my flop but the cards hit the range with which my opponent might call my preflop raise with... I guess a really simple example would be something like JJ on an AKQ board...
Otherwise if I'm up against 3 or more opponents, sometimes 2....
Otherwise on a drawy board I'd avoid it... I guess this is a kind of drawy board, so I'll go for that lol...
I'm totally wrong aren't I? 
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Monsieur_chat
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Bump. Spenda?
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bigspenda73
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Basically I would advise against continuation betting because it's unlikely our opponent will ever fold a better hand than AQ on this flop. Had I decided to continuation bet the turn card is a great one to represent+it adds about 10% more equity to our hand.
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angrystoc
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I think it's a pretty easy flop for people to float on. Basically anything connected > 5 has some kind of draw or pair. AK is the literally the only thing that doesn't have at least gutshot and a lot of people are going to float that for overs.
Is this close to right? However, I think I'm c-betting here a lot too. Perhaps this is a leak on my part.
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Monsieur_chat
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Thanks a lot!
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AFchung
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
Basically I would advise against continuation betting because it's unlikely our opponent will ever fold a better hand than AQ on this flop. Had I decided to continuation bet the turn card is a great one to represent+it adds about 10% more equity to our hand.
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so here if we were OOP, then we'd just check-fold?
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a500lbgorilla
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Don't cbet. I would bet the turn as played and if flop checked through. Snap fold river. Dunno where the problem is? How could you possibly justify a river call?
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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a500lbgorilla
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JESUS TAKE THE KEYBOARD
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I wouldn't cbet, if I did I'm betting this turn 150% of the time
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but i might cbet depending on villain |
oh! describe the opponent you would cbet against plz!
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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bigspenda73
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by bigspenda73
I wouldn't cbet, if I did I'm betting this turn 150% of the time
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but i might cbet depending on villain |
oh! describe the opponent you would cbet against plz! |
the FR nit that is going to snap-fold any flop where he doesn't have a set
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a500lbgorilla
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or maybe we can bet/shove vrs a serial check/raiser? though, they'll probably call with A9 every time
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Smithers, use the amnesia ray.
You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I don't cbet the flop
I delayed cbet the turn though because any time you raise PF everyone automatically assumes you have AK
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