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bhaley66
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06-25-2010, 02:49 AM
Post subject: AQ to the river, No Info, bet sizing?
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Straight
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Well after 11 posts I guess I still dont have permission to post converted hands. So, here it is in raw form. Can someone convert it for me?
I had just sat down at the table, and had no reads at all. I am trying to understand bet sizing right now, however I dont know what sizes or why those sizes. Is there a specific place I can learn more about it specifically? Were these bet sizes ok? If they should be different, why should they be the sizes you say? Please give me reasons...
No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($1.02)
MP2 ($2.07)
Hero (CO) ($1.95)
Button ($0.76)
SB ($1.44)
BB ($2.41)
UTG ($2.75)
UTG+1 ($0.80)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , Q
UTG calls $0.02, 3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.06
Flop: ($0.19) J , Q , 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.12, UTG calls $0.12
Turn: ($0.43) Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.20, UTG calls $0.20
River: ($0.83) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.50, Hero ???
{Edit: Converted the HH. --spoonitnow}
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spoonitnow
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Welcome to FTR.
The turn bet size should be larger, somewhere between 3/4 of the pot to the full size of the pot. The idea is that you have a very strong hand, and many worse hands will call (draws, Jx, Qx). Additionally, making your bet size a bit larger gives unfavorable odds to players with hands like flush draws or open-ended straight draws.
You might want to come into IRC and talk about bet-sizing in real time with the 20-30 other players who are usually in there. Here's a sticky (from the community forum) on how to get in there: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...-a-153854.html
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Outlaw
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A limp utg is a pp a lot of the time, but who knows against an unknown.
I actually like to see a bigger iso range postflop at this level.. to .12 at least.
I'd like to see a bit bigger bet on the flop. The turn bet size is fine if your intent is to induce.
The river is just a call imo, I expect him to roll over 22 or QJ a lot tho.
I am not sure if there is any value in raising.. it is an unk representing a pretty tight range.. not sure what we can get value by repping big strength on the river... looks like he has the nuts or a busted draw.
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Imthenewfish
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I'd bet a tad more pre and a bit more on the flop, but turn sizing sucks. As played just call river because I'm not sure enough that we're crushing his donking range, and our hand is too strong to fold here against a random utg limper at 2nl
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bhaley66
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can you explain why you think that newfish?
thanks
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Imthenewfish
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Can i explain what? The bet sizing or what to do on the river?
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bhaley66
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bet sizing
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Imthenewfish
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We're trying to win the most that we can from this hand. We have stacks of 100 big blinds, and to get them in by the river we have to bet more than you did. Say, if we had made it 0.10 pre, the size of the flop would be 0.23. If we had bet 0.20 here, the size of the pot on the turn would be 0.63. Now we have about 1.70 to get in by the river. If we bet 0.50, then the size of the pot will be 1.63, and we'll have 1.2 behind, making it really easy to get the money in.
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bhaley66
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Ok, I see, so its trying to make the pot the right size as soon as possible so that we can bet bigger without over betting the pot and scaring opponents off?
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Imthenewfish
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Yah, pre and on the flop doesn't really matter, but the turn size was just rediculous. You're trying to get the money in, and if you had bet the size of the pot (0.40). You would have about 1.30 behind and the pot would be 1.20, and we could have a pot sized bet left for the river
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bhaley66
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Ok, that makes sense...
thanks
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philly and the phanatics
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bhaley a lot of it comes down to planning your hand, i read a line in a 2p2 article i liked where he said "plans can morph or even be abandoned but you still have to plan your hand out" and this is really the case, you are not always trying to have it so you have a psb left for the river. It seems like you need to learn more about why we bet in general, ie. value betting and bluffing... also learning about planning your hand is key, both will help you a lot with figuring out bet sizing.
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Imthenewfish
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
bhaley a lot of it comes down to planning your hand, i read a line in a 2p2 article i liked where he said "plans can morph or even be abandoned but you still have to plan your hand out" and this is really the case, you are not always trying to have it so you have a psb left for the river. It seems like you need to learn more about why we bet in general, ie. value betting and bluffing... also learning about planning your hand is key, both will help you a lot with figuring out bet sizing.
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Yah, on the flop we weren't trying to get all of our money in w/just 1 pair, but once we turn trips we want max value and will play for stacks on that card, but our goal isn't always to get the money in
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bhaley66
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
also learning about planning your hand is key, both will help you a lot with figuring out bet sizing.
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That makes sense, is there an article that i can read to give me some general insight on planning my hands? I don't expect something to lay everything out for me exactly, but something giving peoples thoughts about planning hands? Also it does not have to be an article, a discussion would be fine...
thanks,
Brandon
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philly and the phanatics
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this is by no way the definitive guide for planning your hand, but it is a great jumping off point to help get the ball rolling and get your mind in the right place Thinking Through Your Hands - Poker Tips
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shallam
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Your bet sizing seemed reasonable to me. I probably would have bet a bit more on the turn.
Your opps river is bet quite puzzling. It doesn't look like a spazy spew raise to me. Could he have 99, Q9 or a made straight ?
I think I would call but I think it is close.
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bhaley66
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Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics
this is by no way the definitive guide for planning your hand, but it is a great jumping off point to help get the ball rolling and get your mind in the right place Thinking Through Your Hands - Poker Tips |
I just read this article... I think I gained a lot from it. This article is definitely what I needed to get my head rolling in the right direction. I will most definitely be reading this again tomorrow when I am not so tired...
Right now, I feel like my biggest problem/leak is that I do not really know where to start with putting my opponents on ranges. I feel that this is the most important aspect of playing winning poker. I have been trying fiercely over the past few days to pick up on all I can in every aspect of poker I come across, but am definitely struggling with this the most. Does anyone know of any good exercises or things I can practice to become better at putting villain on ranges? I just got HEM the other day. I understand very little of it, mostly vpip, pfr, and how to look at fold to 3 bet, c bet, and other basics. Is there more I should know or understand of HEM right now that would help me with putting my opponents on ranges?
Thanks
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NightGizmo
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Use HEM as a tool to aid you in figuring out ranges, but keep in mind that it is not the only source of information you should be using. For example, pay attention to the bet sizes you've seen from the opponent, what size bets they call or fold, etc.
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philly and the phanatics
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i read something that rob did a while ago, he would filter his HEM to show all big hands that he was not involved in and go through each one in the replayer (with your hud on in the replayer) without exposing the cards and try and figure out their range on every street, and see at the end if the cards they had were part of the range he gave them.
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