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caddie444
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04-04-2009, 03:19 AM
Post subject: AQ o/s facing turn raise on A high board
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Wasn't sure if I was supposed to bet or check the turn OOP. Also, do we fold now?
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($24.85)
Button ($3.15)
SB ($9.70)
BB ($9.70)
UTG ($33.25)
Hero (UTG+1) ($11.45)
MP1 ($13.65)
MP2 ($10)
MP3 ($5.05)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , A
1 fold, Hero bets $0.30, 3 folds, CO calls $0.30, 3 folds
Flop: ($0.75) 6 , 2, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, CO calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.55) A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, CO raises to $1.90 Hero???
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notoriousnf
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Reads...?Bet more on the flop if you want him to fold. That 1/2p bet screams "I missed!" Every now and then hell show up with a set but for the most part He'll be betting AT+ maybe AK. As played, call and see a river and b/c.
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ArcadianRock
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We'll need a few reads here but something to consider is playing AQ in that position.
It's right if you do and right if you don't. I personally don't play AQo UTG+1. I would play it suited but other than that there's just too many to act after you to know how you stack against them.
The reason why though is for situations like this. I multi-table 8 tables so I don't have lots of time to make plays or quick decisions. I have to go for the obvious.
You could call here but I think all the information you would get out of the river would be if he has an A or not. If you 3bet here you could get a bit more information and even take the pot down.
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Don't check this turn ever please.
Call. lets see a river.
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caddie444
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Sorry guys, no reads, purchasing PT3 so I can use the HUD is on the to do list this week 
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Originally Posted by notoriousnf
As played, call and see a river and b/c.
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I don't understand calling the turn raise and b/c'ing the river??
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Originally Posted by 1111111
Calculating chances:
84% - for you
15% - for villian
So CALL now. Or even go all-in
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I have no idea what this means...
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LuckySlevin
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I'd re-reraise the turn, because you have bet quite low on the flop and turn it looks like a double barrel so he could even be doing this with air, as the ace is a scare card. I don't see any point in calling, you're just giving him a chance to improve if he has any piece of the board.
In future I'd raise a little more pf (4bb's) and then 3/4 the flop.
If you re-reraise the turn and he continues to raise you, then I'd say it's an easy fold as your likely beat.
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kmind
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Interesting. I want to check turn here and fold now. A lot seem to feel differently. I'd say he can definitely have a set/straight/two pair. If we check, we might be able to snag a bet from a mid PP or 6x on the river.
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TLR
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Possible hands for villian IMO:
1. 2 pair /set
2. A with worse kicker
3. total air
4. PP>6
5. PP 33/44
If you are ahead he has 33/44 which gives him 6 outs to improve all the other cases give him 2-3 outs, so giving a free card is not too bad, I think I call here
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it makes no sense at all for him to be raising 33/44 here
there's always the possibility he has 34, which TLR didn't include in his ranges or even AK
I'd say he's only raising AJ or AT at worst because if he has A9 he's going to be worried about his kicker, or at least he should be
if he has a PP like 99 and thinks you're barreling it wouldn't make sense to raise
it's not like everyone just turns made hands into bluffs like every time
that's a rare occurrence
his most likely hands:
AJ or better
diamonds
sometimes 74
sometimes 45/56
sometimes 33/44
air
so I want to fold now because people don't raise draws THAT often in NL10 and there are way more comboes of hands that beat you than those that you beat
I mean I doubt you'll see AJ here more than one time in 10
he either has you crushed or he's monkeying around with hands that have outs (less likely because the general tendency in NL10 is to c/c draws)
so ok I'll check that turn actually because I want to get value from a worse hand on the river since my checking the turn means I don't have an ace <- this is how an NL10 donk actually thinks
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caddie444
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I called the turn bet and the riv brought the  and it went check/check...
$2 in play money if anyone can guess what he had
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DaD01ng
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he prolly had a hand you beat... He has no reason to believe the ace hit you
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kmind
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reads are so crucial here. It definitely helps to know if we should even cbet or not. I'll go with him having 34. He was scurred of da flush.
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caddie444
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Originally Posted by TLR
37o?
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nope
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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro
AA
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nope
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Originally Posted by DaD01ng
he prolly had a hand you beat...
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nope
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Originally Posted by kmind
I'll go with him having 34.
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nope
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Originally Posted by kmind
He was scurred of da flush.
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yep
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DoanDiggy
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He had A2, A5, or A6. On the river he was putting you on either a flush or AK, so there wouldn't be value in betting there.
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DaD01ng
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In that case, I guess DoanDiggy got it
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Originally Posted by DoanDiggy
He had A2, A5, or A6. On the river he was putting you on either a flush or AK, so there wouldn't be value in betting there.
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nope
Huge Hint: Villain def missed a bet on river IMO
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
I'd re-reraise the turn, because you have bet quite low on the flop and turn it looks like a double barrel so he could even be doing this with air, as the ace is a scare card. I don't see any point in calling, you're just giving him a chance to improve if he has any piece of the board.
In future I'd raise a little more pf (4bb's) and then 3/4 the flop.
If you re-reraise the turn and he continues to raise you, then I'd say it's an easy fold as your likely beat.
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but what if he calls, are we c/f the river? that's stupid, yo
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yeah id definately call... id wanna see the river and its not too expensive. He might have ace 5 or somethign for 2 pair. BUt id wanna see
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Originally Posted by LuckySlevin
I'd re-reraise the turn, because you have bet quite low on the flop and turn it looks like a double barrel so he could even be doing this with air, as the ace is a scare card. I don't see any point in calling, you're just giving him a chance to improve if he has any piece of the board.
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i think this is giving our micro limit opponent w no reads way too much credit. how often do you really see someone spot a double barrel and re-bluff it? (especially given his raise sizing).
notorious you're b/c'ing river? regardless of river card? that's going all in with TP2K OOP on the micros. i think you can pick better spots to get his stack than here.
i don't know how no one's mentioned your opponents raise-sizing, but you're paying $1.30 for a chance at $5.20; hence I'm never folding here.
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Originally Posted by iopq
it makes no sense at all for him to be raising 33/44 here
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makes sense to me. 2 outs from set + 4 outs from GSSD + possibility he's double barreling sounds like enough equity for me to at least consider this play
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despite the fact that you're getting 3 to 1 here?
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Originally Posted by surviva316
despite the fact that you're getting 3 to 1 here?
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You can't just look at the immediate odds and say that's how much you're getting to call. How much are you going to have to call on the river? What about the reverse implied odds when we hit the Q or another A on the river? We could be drawing to 3 outs or drawing dead at this point, and there's no way to know where we stand on the river without check/calling another bet. So we aren't getting 3-to-1 at this point at all. More like 1.5-to-1 or so.
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Originally Posted by surviva316
despite the fact that you're getting 3 to 1 here?
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You can't just look at the immediate odds and say that's how much you're getting to call. How much are you going to have to call on the river? |
i know that you can't "just" look at pot odds, but you can't "just" look at anything and i didn't listing every single relevant factor in that conclusion.
if he is double barrelling, has a missed flush draw, or a middle pair then i don't think he is betting the river if we call him down here. I know that AJ is betting here if the draw doesn't complete, but i don't see how folding to a dollar and some raise is the right play
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Originally Posted by iopq
it makes no sense at all for him to be raising 33/44 here
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makes sense to me. 2 outs from set + 4 outs from GSSD + possibility he's double barreling sounds like enough equity for me to at least consider this play |
that's a good reason to CALL double barrel
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