Apparently I'm a dick

wait, wat?

Idk, but you do have to have a thick-skin. Or at least be open to criticize. Good players really only want a few things in particular from a new player.

1) The player needs to be willing to put in the leg work and work on their game without having their hand held.

2) Actively think and discuss poker, more than just "I want to make the big monies!!! Teach me da ways!!" Your not gonna make the big monies in the beginning. It takes time and patience, and if you can't accept it, then noone cares to help you.

3) Be able to accept criticism and pull the postive advice out of each post. You will undoubtedly run into players that don't go into detail as much. But even a player saying "What the fuck were you thinking you donk?!?" should get your brain a ticking. Obviously you did something wrong, so figure out what it is!!!! If they tell you without getting you to think for yourself you will be more likely to forget it than if you figured it out on your own and then had it "okay'ed"..

4) Listen. I wanted to put "Be respectful", but I don't think that works here. I'm a big fan of giving respect to people who deserve it (and return it). But know who the good players are and hear what they have to say, even if you don't agree. This isn't saying blindlessly listen to their advice without thinking about the outcome and why. But take their advice and find out why they are giving it. There are alot of players her that are winning players at higher limits. They are winning players for a reason. And believe it or not, they aren't going to steer you wrong on purpose. If they intended to do that they wouldn't waste their time posting in the thread.

5) Admit when your wrong. Everyone is wrong at times. If it's you, get the fuck over it. Whether you are a well-established player or a newbie who is grinding the micros, when your wrong and are told you are wrong, and you realize it, instead of trying to defend your wrong decision, realize you just learned something new and be grateful. The members of the forum could have not replied and just let you keep making the wrong decision. Instead they took the time to discuss and point out your flaw. Correct it and move on!

That's all. I really don't know why I ranted here, but I just did. Take it for what it's worth. Also this was not pointed at anyone in particular. For everyone wondering why they aren't getting the advice they request or why they aren't progessing like they planned.

Good advice stacks, but I think the new player needs some of that. Your post is very pro forum regular, which of course is fine, if it wasn't for them there'd be no point joining. BUT the new member needs to remember they have value, don't let people talk down to them. It's fine having thick skin for thick skinned sake, but no one has the right to speak down to someone, no one - if Phil Hellmuth posted he wouldn't treat people the way some regulars do (and most regulars are fucking awesome don't get me wrong) but there's a minority that are retarded and have no communicative skills at all. My post was for the new member who might take offence thinking they were representative of the whole, they aren't. Most regulars are great so when you stumble across a complete jerk, new members (which you will) just grin, and think to yourself, in about 4 weeks I'll be taking that guys money on the table

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

in about 4 weeks I'll be taking that guys money on the table

HU 4 yo $$$

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

Good advice stacks, but I think the new player needs some of that. Your post is very pro forum regular, which of course is fine, if it wasn't for them there'd be no point joining. BUT the new member needs to remember they have value, don't let people talk down to them. It's fine having thick skin for thick skinned sake, but no one has the right to speak down to someone, no one - if Phil Hellmuth posted he wouldn't treat people the way some regulars do (and most regulars are fucking awesome don't get me wrong) but there's a minority that are retarded and have no communicative skills at all. My post was for the new member who might take offence thinking they were representative of the whole, they aren't. Most regulars are great so when you stumble across a complete jerk, new members (which you will) just grin, and think to yourself, in about 4 weeks I'll be taking that guys money on the table

Your last statement is why someone might find you to be a dick. You will not be taking any money from good regulars on this site before 2010 because you are a terrible player. Not only do you play bad but you seem to think it is a good idea to give poker advice to other newbies. This is an example where everything you said is completely fucking wrong: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ll-t73937.html
Your one post in the high stakes forum is just embarrassing.

Your attitude is atrocious, as showed by your posts in the PH book thread. You decide to do a favor to newbies and tell them about the wonderful literature you stumbled upon. It is shit. I have a newsflash: There are probably 100 players on this site that could beat Phil Hellmuth in a cash game. No joke.

I hope that in a year or so you can look back and realize that your approach to the game and learning was, to say the least, not optimal.

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Your last statement is why someone might find you to be a dick. You will not be taking any money from good regulars on this site before 2010 because you are a terrible player. Not only do you play bad but you seem to think it is a good idea to give poker advice to other newbies. This is an example where everything you said is completely fucking wrong: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...ll-t73937.html
Your one post in the high stakes forum is just embarrassing.

Your attitude is atrocious, as showed by your posts in the PH book thread. You decide to do a favor to newbies and tell them about the wonderful literature you stumbled upon. It is shit.

QFT!




On another note, running to the forum to make an open post about a message they had received, using the opportunity to publically berate said individual, having a go at others as well as bigging themselves up about having value - only to then talk about requiring thick skin!??! Hardly a shining example.

Also, it still seems that he's still trapped in the "I can advise others" mode despite everybody else advocating caution on this front and when just a week ago he recommended a universally derided book and believed pushing with 33 is a good idea if he believes villain has AK.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

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- one thing this forum has taught me is the need for thick skin. Thankfully the fact that there are so many good players in this forum, willing to help - more than compensates for the occasional moron that happens to blind stumble accross forum posts.

My advice to any new members is to have both patience and wisdom. This is a great forum, but there are more than one or two ego's out there. If you can wheather them, then you're in for a great ride, and if you can't then you need to re-evaluate because it's essential to your poker journey.

Richard - if y0u're reading this. Have a nice a day And thankyou for wasting 1 minute of your life with such a spurious post.

I'm not sure about most of this post, but do you really think that someone who is using the psuedo of Nixon and has an email address from a porn site is a valid commenter?

Lucky Slevin - chill the fuck out.

And as said above, if you think in about 4 weeks you'll be taking money off any of the regs on here (whens this, when you've won another freeroll?) you are the retarded one.

New members have to earn their value - I know I haven't yet because I don't post that often. But I'm on here most days, and I've gone from being a losing player to a solid $25nl player, nearly at $50nl.

However when I do post, I'm thankful to any regs who reply with solid advice - regardless of whether some replies seem harsh.

Also, if I do comment on a hand or thread I try and make sure I know what I'm talking about (and having beaten microstakes I know a bit - not alot, but a bit) and if someone dis-agrees I don't take it personal, I look at what they've said and then decide if its sound advice.

and lastly Hellmuth is a prize knobjockey

lmao I'm perfectly chilled thankyou sitting in the garden nice breezy day.

Congratulations dean/thunder you've just topped my online idiot list,

FYI give me six months dean/thunder and I'll play you for whatever stakes you like.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

lmao I'm perfectly chilled thankyou sitting in the garden nice breezy day.

FYI give me six months dean/thunder and I'll play you for whatever stakes you like.

I want prop bet action on this sh!t!! ... and I'm giving odds to anyone taking Slevin. My vote is Slev v. Pythonic at $5NL!!

I like your style Sars and I'm very serious if either Dean/Thunder care to take my offer six months today I'll be playing them - it wasn't something I casually said in post, I'll be following through on this one

This thread could only be more intriguing if we find out that Slevin is sleeping with Dean's sister with plots to kill Thunder. Soapoperathreadaments FTW!!

Originally Posted by Squeaky_Midget1

This thread could only be more intriguing if we find out that Slevin is sleeping with Dean's sister with plots to kill Thunder. Soapoperathreadaments FTW!!

What if Slevin was Dean's sister - and is sleeping with himself?

so is that a yes or a no thunder?

Originally Posted by Thunder

What if Slevin was Dean's sister - and is sleeping with himself?

I like you and highly advise playing Dean at least, I don't know what all thunder plays. In 6 months if you are even at 50NL then much props. Moving up stakes takes a shitload of time when beginning.

iowaskinsfan (i think) made a really good post about his golf swing one day.

Somebody took a video of it and he expected to see a really good swing except when he looked at it he saw he was shit.
The lesson to learn is that if you think youre good, then someone says haha your shyte and shows you where you suck, dont get your e-penis out and feel your ego has been bashed, realise you suck and always expect you will suck and need to get better.
then obviously you'll pwn and realise that poker is just one long learning stretch anyway.

Someon link the article its much better than me

such a good article

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...od-t53415.html

Okay I have to say this... Slevin, I don't have anything against you whatsoever.. I really would like to see you succeed as I hope for everyone on this forum to succeed. You seem to be really intrigued by poker and trying really hard to learn the game; however, you seem to have a really screwed idea of how the game works and what it entails.

I've seen numerous posts from you saying things, such as:

"I intend to increase my BR by 4% each day!"

"You'll be taking a regs money in 4 weeks!"

"Do you wanna play me HU4ROLLZ!!"

It's not gonna happen as fast as you think Slevin. It just isn't. Yeah I realize you have a dream of making alot of money playing poker.. And it can happen.. And FTR is definately a huge asset to that becoming a reality, but it isn't gonna happen in a few weeks and probably not even a few years. I read in your blog (I was bored) and you said you "intend to become a world-class player in less than a year". And even in your banner you act as if you intend to make "170 million dollars" at poker.

Lucky....Slow the fuck down... Make sure you beat 10nl and don't donk off another roll before making all the goals and challenges. Dean is a far better player than you. As is Thunder. They have been at it longer.. Do you think they aren't constantly trying to better their game as well? They do frequent a forum with questions and advice. So you intend to surpass them in a few months with your abundance of poker knowledge and wisdom?? Not happening yet... As I said, beat the micros before you challenge low-mid stakes players who will absolutely pwn your fucking soul at this time and at any time in the near future.

You have obviously not experienced negative variance yet, probably to no extent. For one, as soon as you do, you will realize very fast that you WILL NOT increase your roll by 4% everyday. Even you, the great LuckySlevin, WILL have losing sessions, and even losing days, and possibly losing weeks or months. IT HAPPENS!! TO EVERYONE!!!!! That's the nature of the beast. If skill always prevailed, there wouldn't be fish. And there wouldn't be money for everyone. So the quickier you realize that you aren't gonna go from 10nl to 1knl in a few months, the quickier you will start to really let information sink in and become a better player.

I personally have only been playing cash games for 2 months, and have moved through the stakes at a decent speed I guess. I put in a month at 10nl, and a month at 25nl, and I just started 50nl 2 days ago and I'm +6 buyins right now after 2k hands. First off I've put in 30k hands a month (for the regs... I know that's nothing, just I assume that's more than he puts in.. If I'm wrong, that's why it was an assumption). How many hands do you put in per month? 30k at 4ptbb/100 got me through a stake a month. Are you putting in enough hands and winning decently enough to do that? I wouldn't think so as you I hear more about you playing freerolls than anything else. Do you multi-table for multiple hours per day? I hope so if you plan on making it through the stakes that fast.

Next, I have to agree with everyone here that you have no authority to be offering advice just yet. I have little authority as well, that's why I only offer advice when I'm fairly sure I'm on top of it (I haven't been called out for it yet), and it's rare I give advice on hands or whatever because I play shit stupidly at times so I don't have the right to tell other people how to play a hand.

However, you have nothing going for you in the form of poker authority. You have not beat any specific stake over a significant sample size. You have not built up a significant roll. You haven't studied as long as others. However, you do have all those things going against you. As I said, make sure your even a winner before you start challenging people and giving advice. You turned a deposit into $120. That's shit man. Yes your heading in the right direction, but you are still a losing poker player at this time, as you have busted a few rolls. Who wants to take advice from a losing poker player? Noone wants to and here at FTR nobody should have to.. That's why everyone keeps "censoring" and "filtering" your advice and making sure everyone knows not to follow your advice just yet.

Yeah a huge rant, but I really don't want you to get all this shit thrown your way, but as of right now you totally deserve it. Learn poker (not just what cards to play), Become a winner, Build a roll, Move up to higher stakes, then you can give significant advice, teach others, and send out your challeneges.

k? thx!

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

I have little authority as well, that's why I only offer advice when I'm fairly sure I'm on top of it (I haven't been called out for it yet), and it's rare I give advice on hands or whatever because I play shit stupidly at times so I don't have the right to tell other people how to play a hand.!

The secret to pulling this off Stacks is to act as I do, post the fact that you are not sure before posting the advice and ask others to comment, I've found that commenting on plays when you are still trying to figure out the best move is a great learning tool, just temper your responses with comments like I do... such as "I'm a conservative noob who thinks you might want to do this xxxxx" Then people know you aren't a pro and are just learning yourself looking to see if you are right

Ok... just my noob donk .02 big blind worth.

Originally Posted by kmind

I like you and highly advise playing Dean at least, I don't know what all thunder plays. In 6 months if you are even at 50NL then much props. Moving up stakes takes a shitload of time when beginning.

Thanks kmind I just thought it was about time someone stood up to the egos that seem to be running the threads lately - and I'm pleased you think its ok. As my mentor you're the only person I'd allow to change my mind

While I don't understand what kmind is talking about with the "I highly advise you play Dean at least", he pretty much said that you aren't going to move up as quick as you think. Or did you miss the part where he said "if you are even at 50nl in 6 months then much props"? Or are you honestly so incompetent that you think the regs you are speaking to and challenging (aka. Dean) is a 50nl reg? No he is not.. He just said he was a 400nl reg. So I feel I must say it one more time.....

Learn to fucking play, learning to fucking win, move the fuck up, then you can start advising people and calling out people. Right now your entire roll isn't even a buyin to him. He makes more in one hour than you have ever made at poker! So STFU, and learn from these guys, and your hardwork and determine (which I know are there) will pay off in the end (but don't expect it to happen in a week).

stacks chill my man

I really have nothing against you but it just seems like in all of your posts you are trying to test the waters and piss people off. You blantantly call out a 400nl reg that has been playing poker for a good deal longer than you, and HE IS A WINNING PLAYER... Then you proceed to tell him he does't know what he is talking about in another thread.

You have been here less than a month and you have already managed to pick two or more e-fights for quite a few players. Honestly, that is saying something about you and the way you are approaching things than anything else.

And you say people blindlessly follow advice and are jerks for not standing up to the veterans. Well for one, we aren't getting the same shit comments that you are getting. Mainly because we handle situations better and are actively trying to learn and get better; instead, of assuming we already know everything because we have won over $100 (this time). And two, they don't have to give you advice. They could simply say "FU lucky... Learn for yourself", or just avoid any thread you are involved in. However, they have told you your wrongs, even though you didn't want to hear it, and they correct your wrong advise in other threads.

You sound like an intelligent individual. And I know you are reading alot of books and articles, etc. However, that doesn't substitute for experience. You have not proven yourself a winner in any way, shape, or form, yet you call out proven winners? That's just fucking dumb.

You are going to keep getting these shit posts, till either you get banned for being a pain, or you learn that you don't know everything just from reading a book (a shitty book btw). Just take what everyone is telling you and quite trying to prove you even have an e-penis. So instead of jumping into a thread and saying something as if it is a fact, throw something out there and see how others respond. If they agree, good job, that's a first. If they don't, then ask why not? And then build a logical argument, other than "You sir don't know what the hell you are talking about".

I'm not really interested in 'e-fights' I actually find the term quite comical. If I have an opinion on something I will give it. If someone talks down to me they can expect not to get very much respect from me. It's the way I am.

Peace.

Pretty much every post your involved in that I have seen is an argument, and you are doing the "why is everyone picking on me?" routine. Clearly on some level you enjoy this and its getting old. Take advice, make money, be easy.

I neither enjoy nor dislike arguments. Arguments are opportunities to learn providing the points on both side are logically put across. I do not think anyone is picking on me, and am perfectly at ease with the forum and my place in it.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

FYI give me six months dean/thunder and I'll play you for whatever stakes you like.

me too please

also, giving advice on hands when you're new is fine - I'm new to my current stake and I'm doing it at that stake and above. Often enough I'm wrong. When I post something and numerous people who have proven poker skill disagree, then I stop and think. I re-examine what I've posted, think about it a bunch, try and understand what the others are saying.

About 70% of the time I realise that I was wrong.
About 20% of the time I decide that it's completely subjective (normally this means that I'm wrong)
About 10% of the time I think that I may actually be right, so I add another comment to the thread - more detail of my thinking etc. Normally this process ad the ensuing responses teach me a lot...

what's my point? nobody should diss people for giving advice. BUT, even more importantly, nobody should take offence at being told their advice is wrong. People aren't normally attacking the messenger here...

OK. You're on. Objectively this is feeling like more and more of a bad idea, but I like a challenge, and it will focus my learning over the next six months.

Originally Posted by LuckySlevin

If someone talks down to me they can expect not to get very much respect from me.

And that goes both ways.

Apparently I'm a dick

apparently so.

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