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redih

03-02-2005, 06:30 AM Post subject: Anything done wrong here at all?

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter

Hero ($58.05)
UTG ($16.95)
UTG+1 ($24.75)
MP1 ($25.4)
MP2 ($22.35)
MP3 ($21.75)
CO ($22.15)
Button ($21.65)
SB ($73.05)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4

, 6

. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.35) 2

, 9

, 5

(5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls $0.25.

Turn: ($2.10) 7

(3 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $1.

River: ($4.10) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP3 raises to $8, Hero calls $4.

Final Pot: $20.10

Results in white below:
Hero has 4c 6d (straight, seven high).
MP3 has Ac Jc (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins $20.10.

I am wondering if I did anything wrong here at all. I was 3 tabling 25NL while I was watching ilikeaces at the 400NL and this happens. I'm thinking I played decently, but was there any way I could've seen it coming? Btw, I ended up busting him when I have QJo, flop comes QJx (no flush) and he goes AI with AKh. So everything works out I guess

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lovemachine

03-02-2005, 06:48 AM

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well you were only in the hand because you were big blind, but on the flop you only had an inside straight draw, which isn't worth chasing unless you have extremely good pot odds, and not worth chasing with the flush draw out. i even usually suggest folding open end straight draws if the flush draw is out unless you can see if for very cheap. even when you hit the straight, always be cautious of the flush, probably dont bet your straight if a possible flush is out unless you have a good read on the player. i'd say check the river and see what the other players do to decide whether or not to call

poskid_1982

03-02-2005, 09:00 AM

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I think you played this fine until one mistake. You should have folded this on the river. You made two stabs at the pot that failed. The first smooth call on the turn should have told you to to be wary. In my experience reraises on the river usually have to be respected after a smooth call on the turn. The call here was your bad play. Next time fold this or he might not give you a chance to win it back.

Trikflow77

03-02-2005, 09:37 AM

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i dont think I would fold here

Usuyami

03-02-2005, 11:02 AM

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I dunno, it's hard to lay down a hand when you are chasing something and it hits, so I probably would've done the same.

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poskid_1982

03-02-2005, 11:55 AM

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Flush

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Okay, my whole point here is the fact that hero called a re-raise on the river with the third best possible hand when, his opp, chasing and smooth calling was perfectly legit for any of the hands that would beat him. Laying this one down is easy after the re-raise.

NOTE* I would have been more apt to call if the player had re-raised larger.

SteveO

03-02-2005, 12:15 PM

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Let it go on the flop-PERIOD.

You had an inside straight with dirty outs, which was mentioned above, meaning if the 3c hit it was a very bad card for you b/c it makes you a lovely second best hand.

Sure it may look like it's just another .25 call but all those little .25 bets that you bleed off chasing those wacky hands will translate to slow losses over time.

Send lawyers, guns and money - the sh*t has hit the fan!

Spandrel

03-02-2005, 03:50 PM

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I agree totally with Usuyami, here, and it is one of the leaks in my game. When I'm chasing a hand on the draw and it hits on the river, I often become blind to the fact that other hands on the board could possibly beat it. I often end up losing so many of these sets and straights I'm chasing to higher hands on the board.

I think this hand also demonstrates the power of position, and with you acting under the gun on the turn and river, it was an easier trap for him and his nut flush. My only suggestion might be to be more cautious when playing hands like this out of position. His re-raise on the river was a definite red flag that should have you thinking twice. If he had raised pre-flop, you might have been able to pin him on an overpair or set, but the fact that he limped in and called on the flop is some evidence that he was on a draw.

Tough loss, and I don't mean to sound at all like I would have played it differently. I have to get more disciplined about these kinds of situations, myself.

redih

03-02-2005, 06:33 PM

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I wanted your opinions before I posted this part. I was starting to get a table image of a rock. Nobody called my pf raises, so I'd usually end up with the blinds (sure $1 adds up, but I want more with QQ, AK, AJ etc). So I saw this hand and I was hoping it would be a small 3-5bb pot, and figured if I could show it down, they might think I'm playing junk with raises etc. It sorta backfired on me by hitting the str8 on the river, because at that point I figured it was gonna be A high, or pp. I can say truthfully I didn't see the flush coming, smooth calls at a $25NL aren't really a worry to me because I'd have to say the way the table was loose with their calls of .25-$1 raises.

I guess I read wrong, I woulda folded on river if it wasnt for me trying to change my image. I thought about folding the re-raise, but it's hard to lay down a gutshot str8 that actually hits. Like Spandrel said, gotta work on my discipline. It's not like I lost oh so much, and I actually made it back from him, it's just that hand there stuck out for the night because I absolutely didn't see the flush coming. I guess a lot of you did.

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Iconoclastic

03-02-2005, 08:05 PM

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Flush

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I'm not sure why you bet the turn. You're possibly drawing dead already, against a flush, and you're only going to make a straight 1/6 times, and 25% of those times the River is a club which devalues your holding even more. Bluffing on the Turn is probably not going to work considering he bet on the Flop. The play on this hand was very Loose Passive to me.

I agree with the Flop call, as calling a min bet to win a potentially big pot against a set or two pair is pretty good. Don't underestimate the value of implied odds- 6 absolute nut outs in 47 unseen cards.

My line would have been check-calling the Turn for a small bet but releasing to a decent sized bet, basically playing it cautiously to showdown considering the possibility of already drawing dead.

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FlyingSaucy

03-02-2005, 08:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveO

Let it go on the flop-PERIOD.

Yes. 1:6 or so pot odds on the flop does not justify calling for the 4 outter.

Tough lay down on the river, but avoid the mess all together...

whileone

03-02-2005, 09:00 PM

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Flush

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bet on the flop. You're the big blind, you were willing to risk 6 bucks on a crazy hand, use a couple of them on the flop instead of the river. if you get a caller, it's easy to check and fold. You being the big blind in an unraised pot can lay claim to all sorts of wacky crap, like two pair. Generaly, if i don't have some sort of hand by the turn i give up, check and fold, but the furious bluff pays off from time to time.

the pot odds are ok, the implied odds cover for the thin call, but the min reraise on the river is always scary. gotta put them on a good flush, unless the're some sort of maniac. but a maniac wouldn't call you down the whole time would he?

the moral of the story is, if you're willing to blow a few bucks on a hand, you're better off doing it earlier rather than later.

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Greedo017

03-03-2005, 08:07 AM

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i would either raise or fold on the flop. that .25 cent bet says, just call me please i want to see the turn. But, assuming you call the flop, i like the turn. bet a buck, what else is he calling that turn bet with where he bet weak on the flop? river check/fold.

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