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05-01-2006, 06:56 PM
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Straight
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that should be a winner but just takes a beating for some reason? For me it's poket 7's. I've been victim to set over set twice for ~120 each time (100NL). Also AKs takes a beating for me as well while AKo is a huge winner.
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jackvance
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4-of-a-Kind
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KK has not been kind to me. I have run into AA or a suck-out way more often than simple odds seem to suggest.
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siknd
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Also AKs takes a beating for me as well while AKo is a huge winner.
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thats interesting. i wonder why this is. the suitedness only adds five percent to the hand, but obviously you are pushing it harder than it warrants.
i dont use pokertracker, so i cant answer this definitively. but out of the big hands, i struggle with JJ the most. i need to consider it more like TT and less like QQ methinks.
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77 is also my biggest loser over 50K hands. A big part of that was getting stacked for 200BB on a JJT7 board. He had the nut full house, but he had been going berserk with hands like middle pair, no kicker so I decided I had to go with 77 there. That's really the only good hand that's a been a significant loser for me.
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cardsman1992
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JJ just kills me.....
88 doesn't like me too well either....
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gabe
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queens were bad for me over a 20k hand stretch, but then the last 20k they are my biggest winner
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I am blessed with having AQ in my top ten hands. Most people hate AQ but I love it. I either don't run into AK much or I am clairvoyant enough to avoid dominated situations.
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by siknd
the suitedness only adds five percent to the hand
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How do you figure? Are you playing 2 street poker here with 5 card flops?
BTW, I'm a sTAggro nut-job and JJ/TT have always been big winners for me.
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Vrax
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Recently I went broke with AQ. Twice. Also my kings got busted by Aokrongly's Aces.
Jacks and Tens are g00t for me, I won recently some big pots in set vs set and ther was lots of flops like "Vrax bets villains folds".
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Seasider
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Flush
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AKo I hit TPTK someone hit 2 pair, I hit 2 pair someone hit set, I hit straight someone gets flush waaaa waaaaa. I am getting better at folding it tho and it's rare I get stacked with it, but little pots start adding up.
I nearly hate it when I look down and see it now, AKs is behaving tho 
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TT is my hand of death in SNGs - I always am prepared to go all-in with it, but say I am up against half JJ-AA and half AJ-AK, I lose 70% of the time. Why do I do this to myself??
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siknd
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Fnord
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Originally Posted by siknd
the suitedness only adds five percent to the hand
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How do you figure? Are you playing 2 street poker here with 5 card flops?
BTW, I'm a sTAggro nut-job and JJ/TT have always been big winners for me. |
i just mean strictly in terms of preflop probability. isnt AKo vs underpair 45-55, but AKs dead even?
im just wondering what the suitedness of this hand causes the OP to overplay it.
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'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by siknd
i just mean strictly in terms of preflop probability. isnt AKo vs underpair 45-55, but AKs dead even?
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I donno. This isn't short-stacked tourney poker and I don't play showdown poker against other full-buys in online ring games. 4 to a flush on the flop gives me options and maybe I catch another out if we go the distance.
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siknd
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im with you. all im saying is, to me, AK plays the same preflop to me, suited or not. the fact that we may pick up a flush draw on the flop is immaterial, its another issue.
it seems to me that if AKo is a big winner, but AKs is not, then our hero is being blinded by the 5% and losing too much value. obviously he knows how to play AK. but perhaps when he raises with AKs pf, is raised, and has a third player come over the top... he calls, when he would fold (probably correctly) with AKo.
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'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '
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Strung
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Straight
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Honestly, I've looked at my AKs hands (which are much fewer than AKo obviously) but I just don't "catch" with it. At all. As in in the last 16 hands with it I have not hit a 'A' or a 'K' on the flop and nothing even close to a flush draw. So combine all the pre-flop raises with occasional c-bets that don't always work.
I've never been stacked with AKs and I don't play it more aggressive than AKo. The hand is also not a huge loser but it is a minus. It's just something that doesn't seem to catch for me.
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Vrax
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Value of being s00ted will be rediscovered when you bust some sets with it but in solid poker way, no chasing! Semibluff the nits! 
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siknd
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Flush
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Originally Posted by Vrax
Value of being s00ted will be rediscovered when you bust some sets with it but in solid poker way, no chasing! Semibluff the nits! |
ugh. reluctant to take my nine-outer up against a nit's ten-outer (set vs flush draw) on a coordinated flop. i think thats a recipe for having it allin behind.
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'If you think a weakness can be turned into a strength, I hate to tell you this, but that's another weakness. '
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EricE
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Originally Posted by siknd
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Originally Posted by Vrax
Value of being s00ted will be rediscovered when you bust some sets with it but in solid poker way, no chasing! Semibluff the nits! |
ugh. reluctant to take my nine-outer up against a nit's ten-outer (set vs flush draw) on a coordinated flop. i think thats a recipe for having it allin behind. |
True, but it looks better when your flush is made and his FH isn't.
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