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Old 04-02-2009, 06:45 PM     Post subject: Any other degens that need an incentive to grind? #1 (permalink)  
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Ok, so I seriously need to start putting in more hands. Last month I put in less than 20k which is just flat out pathetic. So this month I am deciding to do something a lil different. I am offering a prop bet of $10 to any takes. It can go down one of two ways:

1.) We both just put up $10 on whether or not I can reach 40k hands this month.

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2.) You also have a number of hands goal that you would like to reach. In which case we both put up $10 and if one of us makes the goal and the other doesn't, loser pays. If we both make the goal we keep our bets.

This is just something I want to do to give myself incentive to grind out the hands this month. I call my self a micro stakes grinder but playing an average of 580 hands a day in march isn't what I'd call a "grind."

A lil extra info. I have been playing since November and my entire database has less than 50k hands. A lot of that is due to me 1-2 tabling for the majority of the time. I recently switched over to FR in March and am currently 8 tabling. The most hands I have ever put in a day is 2.7k. My average # of hands per day for the last 4 1/2 months is probly somewhere in the ballpark of 800/day.

My goal is to obviously hit 40k hands and silverstar this month. I'm not really sure how many bets I will be taking, I guess it really depends on how many are interested. Probably no more then 5 so I don't completely destroy my roll if I don't make it lol. The offer will close probably Sunday night (EST).

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Old 04-02-2009, 08:09 PM #2 (permalink)  
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If you really want an incentive to grind why don't you have someone stake you?

That way you have an obligation to your client to put in at least 60000+ hands a month. If they stake you enough for you to play at the next highest level and by your OP I would say it would be 25NL, you would profit more, have a very low risk factor, and be forced to play more hands and want to knowing that once you finished the run you'll have made enough money to keep playing at 25NL.
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I think I got 10K hands last month. I don't really have any goals.

How about we make it REAL interesting? We do a grinding competition. Then we assign a value on HOURS (not hands) with each hour a minimum 400 hands/hour.

Whoever puts in the most hours wins. Then it's not like "I'm playing more tables so I beat you" or "I started playing 16 tables so I win"

this is about commitment in time, not in amount
so say we set it to five hours = 1 dollar in bets
so if I grind 200 hours and you grind 0 you lose $40
but if I grind 60 and you grind 50 you only lose $2

that way it scales in the difference lol
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:39 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Is $10 really going to motivate you enough to increase your volume that much?
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Old 04-02-2009, 08:43 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I kind of like your idea iopq, but how are we going to keep of hours played? The tracking software I use doesn't keep track of hours played (I know HEM does this), it just goes by hands played. It's pretty hard to fake an amount of hands. It's pretty easy to lie about # of hours played. Just a thought.
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Is $10 really going to motivate you enough to increase your volume that much?
well if like 40 people take him up on it maybeh lol

but it's kind of meh
I like my idea better
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I kind of like your idea iopq, but how are we going to keep of hours played? The tracking software I use doesn't keep track of hours played (I know HEM does this), it just goes by hands played. It's pretty hard to fake an amount of hands. It's pretty easy to lie about # of hours played. Just a thought.
I use PT3 and it tracks hours

FYI 35 hours last month
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Is $10 really going to motivate you enough to increase your volume that much?
Honestly, probably yea lol. Pretty much I go balls out if any of my own money is on the line. And with my roll, I don't want to be doing it for say, $50 cuz thats just kinda dumb. I figure its a BI at my current steaks, so it should motivate me enough to at least TRY to put in the volume. If I don't get anyone that wants to do it, no biggie. I just figured its a little something extra.
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If you really want an incentive to grind why don't you have someone stake you?

That way you have an obligation to your client to put in at least 60000+ hands a month. If they stake you enough for you to play at the next highest level and by your OP I would say it would be 25NL, you would profit more, have a very low risk factor, and be forced to play more hands and want to knowing that once you finished the run you'll have made enough money to keep playing at 25NL.
This isn't a TERRIBLE idea, but i don't like the idea of playing with someone else's money. I won't be playing optimally for one. I'll be afraid to lose the money and have to owe, so it really wouldn't work for me. Also, I hate sharing profitz lol.
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I'm in on this. I had a measley 3,000k in March so I am shooting for 12,000K this month. Roughly 400/day. I work 6 days a week and have not gone past three tables yet and usually only 2. I like the losers pay, winners keep. If it stays us 2 though, who gets monies if we both fail???????


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Old 04-02-2009, 10:04 PM     Post subject: Re: Any other degens that need an incentive to grind? #12 (permalink)  
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OR

2.) You also have a number of hands goal that you would like to reach. In which case we both put up $10 and if one of us makes the goal and the other doesn't, loser pays. If we both make the goal we keep our bets.
I'm in
My goal is 10k
shiiiiiiiip it!

For a more serious bet:
40k hands is a little steep for me, but I'd take it for $10 - I'd kind of expect it to be a tie though.
I don't expect to play more than 1k/day average.
Betting on hours may be better. I'd trust that you won't screw me, and I have HEM.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:24 PM #13 (permalink)  
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If we both fail... I guess we pay each other? lol So pretty much same thing as if we both won really. It's not really the point. It's just to get me on the tables, grinding out the hands, and will hopefully do the same for you.

I would do the hours thing, if I had a reliable way of tracking them. I (probably ) wouldn't screw anyone over, but I don't want there to be doubt or anything. If I had a way to do it I would, but hands are easily tracked.

So then, so far I have lockpull and oskar down for $10 a piece. Pretty sure these should both be ties, no worries tho. I'd like to get at least one person that wants to put in similar volume to me though. Like 30k+
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:26 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 I'll take 40k... I think I can do it. I'll play some more FR.
Plus I'm really due for a genuine $1k+ month. Not after bonus, not after currency conversion.
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Old 04-03-2009, 12:47 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 1 buyin if you want.
I have to break 50k hands, you have to break 40k.
If we both do it then neither pays.
If I do it and you don't I get 1 buyin from whatever stakes you play.
and vice versa. (sounds like i get $10 if I win, you get $100 if you win)

your call - this is a degen suggestion cos my ev is crap, so it fits the title of this thread quite nicely I think....
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Old 04-03-2009, 12:51 AM #16 (permalink)  
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1 buyin if you want.
I have to break 50k hands, you have to break 40k.
If we both do it then neither pays.
If I do it and you don't I get 1 buyin from whatever stakes you play.
and vice versa. (sounds like i get $10 if I win, you get $100 if you win)

your call.
Haha, done and done. I may be moving up to 25nl sometime this month if things go pretty well, so your payout may go up if I don't make it.

Ok, so far these are the people I have signed up to do this:

Lockpull: $10/12k hands
Oskar: $10/40k hands
Daven: $100/50k hands
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:47 AM #17 (permalink)  
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I could 24 table for 2 hours and then 'grind' one table all day while i'm watching t.v, surfing the net and net 400 hands/hour.
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I could 24 table for 2 hours and then 'grind' one table all day while i'm watching t.v, surfing the net and net 400 hands/hour.
not 400 hands/hour overall, but only count hours where you got 400+ hands
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I'm in for one buy-in from what I play. $25NL. I want to play 30K hands. Same deal as daven (you'd owe $10)

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Old 04-03-2009, 05:36 AM #20 (permalink)  
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I played 5k hands yesterday.
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I'm in for one buy-in from what I play. $25NL. I want to play 30K hands. Same deal as daven (you'd owe $10)

I played about 21K hands last month.
Done.

Lockpull: $10/12k hands
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 i half hope you get your $145 jumpstart to 25nl. But i'm about to start a drunken session to lower your chances!!!
GL!
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i half hope you get your $145 jumpstart to 25nl. But i'm about to start a drunken session to lower your chances!!!
GL!
drunken session?? lol how did this turn out?
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i half hope you get your $145 jumpstart to 25nl. But i'm about to start a drunken session to lower your chances!!!
GL!
drunken session?? lol how did this turn out?
still going, 4:30am, 17-13 and i'm a station
sobering up now tho.
haven't played a >4hr sessions for a while - i may go late this time

12k hands so far for april
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 04-05-2009, 09:36 PM #27 (permalink)  
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oh well, rakeback will add to that a little. I've treated the last few days as prep for the big grind when i go pro in may. I'll be looking for 200k hand month prop bet takers sometime later this year
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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23k hands of 100nl in april so far for limited profits... running 1ptBB/100
oh well, rakeback will add to that a little. I've treated the last few days as prep for the big grind when i go pro in may. I'll be looking for 200k hand month prop bet takers sometime later this year
lol there's playing drunk for you
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Old 04-05-2009, 11:57 PM #29 (permalink)  
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God I've been such a slacker already 0 hands friday, saturday and so far today. Friday I went out and got shit faced, saturday i slept in til like 4-5pm (we were up til almost 9 drinking ) then I had to work til 7 this morning. Just woke up a bit ago. A lil behind pace now for the month, but no worries, its still early on.

Nice work daven!!!
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God I've been such a slacker so far lol. I'm WAAAAY behind pace now. Planning on putting in a lot of hands tomorrow and thursday for sure. Wednesday is iffy.

Update:

6387/40000 :/

I need to average 1461 hands/day to make it now. FACK NEED TO GRIND!!!!
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loooool I have like 1K hands this month you're ahead of me shit
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Oh boy, hopefully I get my $10!!!

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2244/12000 (18%) I work too damn much.

Kind of sad but I still think I'll make it.


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hell, even at only 1ptBB/100 that's $600. Add about $500 rakeback and i'm doing ok in some rake race... shows that even fish can make $$ if we're prepared to grind.
now i need to step up - from uber-fish to standard Nit-TAG-fish

funny. Tableratings tells me I've played 11k this month for $800 profit (biggest winners, filter Full Tilt, 100nl, this month). shows that they miss a lot of hands?

edit. Closing in on 2ptBB/100 for the month now.
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Nice work guys! Put in uber grind session today. Just short of 10k hands now . Puts me right on track again w00t. Ship it!

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Might hit 50k this weekend.
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You are a sick, sick man daven... lol
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Running like #$*(&^expletives deleted

maybe up $1.5k including rakeback?

edit 47k hands and closer to $2k

edit 50k hands ticked
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Old 04-13-2009, 11:52 AM #39 (permalink)  
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 I could ship you the $10 right now as I won't do much multi-tabling, and I'm prolly going to play live again today.

Just hoping you fail also at this point imo.
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Yup its official I suck at grinding. I just added up all my hands for the month.

12,996/40k. AWESOME. I need to average about 1800 hands a day. Not likely the way things have been going. But Im not giving up yet. I'll just have to put in an LOLGROSS amount of hands per day (for me) to get it done. Time to put the nose to the grindstone.
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But Im not giving up yet. I'll just have to put in an LOLGROSS amount of hands per day (for me) to get it done. Time to put the nose to the grindstone.
do it! c'mon. Grind it out
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Yea, I'm definitely gonna try. I got a few things to do before a short session before work today, then tomorrow is gonna be an all day grind day. The weekends are shit for poker for me, so that sucks, but o wells. I ain't givin up on this yet, its just looking bleak. Thanks for the support daven.
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16,602/30,000 for my right now (just moved up to $50NL). Got a busy week coming up, but I'm still about 1,600 hands ahead of my pace.

C'mon dranger stop being a puss and GET THOSE HANDS IN!
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Will do sir. Thanks for the support guys!
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Old 04-17-2009, 01:51 AM #46 (permalink)  
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 best case scenario - all of us make the hands while having profitable months!

I'm getting a bit silly on the grind now. 70k hands at about 1.5ptBB/100. And even that's not enough for top 10 in the raketherake FullTilt rake race?!?
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
allin, reload, repeat

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Old 04-17-2009, 06:50 AM #47 (permalink)  
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Gross dude. 70k hands!?!?! Dam... I suck lol. I just got in a 3k hand day today, so thats definitely a plus. Only like ~23-24k left woohoo!
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Old 04-19-2009, 08:15 PM #48 (permalink)  
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. I just got in a 3k hand day today, Only like ~23-24k left woohoo!
getting closer, nice...
80k

edit 21/4/09 - 90k... shame about the miserable win-rate.
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Old 04-23-2009, 05:39 AM #49 (permalink)  
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 100k hands

sunday edit. 110k hands
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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Old 04-29-2009, 05:38 AM #50 (permalink)  
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 update?
don't raise with the straight flush bro, nobody ever gonna call that shit
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