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Old 02-03-2009, 04:06 PM     Post subject: Another one.. #1 (permalink)  
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MP2 ($12.81)
MP3 ($10.19)
CO ($9.74)
Hero (Button) ($8.83)
SB ($3.27)
BB ($2)
UTG ($3.50)
UTG+1 ($11.63)
MP1 ($2)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A
UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.05, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.77) J, Q, K (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.67) J (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.60, UTG raises to $2.75 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $4.87 | Rake: $0.20

Confusing thing here was he was short stacked. But so many hands have us beat here.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:04 PM #2 (permalink)  
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the SPR is 5 so you can stack off
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:14 PM #3 (permalink)  
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not sure what you mean by that terminology. I should call his all in? Why? What is your reasoning? SOOO many hands have us beat here.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:30 PM #4 (permalink)  
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SPR = Stack to Pot Ratio.. It's the effective stack (smallest stack) on the flop divided by the initial pot on the flop. So if we are on the flop and you have $100 and I have $200, and the pot is $20, then the SPR is 5.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:35 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Ok but why is that still worthy of a call? Whats the reasoning behind making the call besides that he has a small stack? His range is huge and I see it as a waste of money to make the call when it's so easily beaten.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:39 PM #6 (permalink)  
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stack to pot ratio is 5
our "commitment threshold" changes depending on SPR or stack to pot ratio

for example, if we limp AK we are no looking to go all in against a bunch of limpers, we just want to flop top pair and put in two bets and take down a modest pot
but if we 3b someone we want to go broke with top pair because we

this is because the pot is so large it makes our villain's range wider since he has more incentive to go all in
sure, lots of hands have us beat, but we are getting such great odds that we can't fold

we need to call $1.15 to $3.27 pot which means the total pot size is $4.42 so you need 25% equity

I just made a range of the "nut hands" that want to stack off here:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,024 games 0.005 secs 404,800 games/sec

Board: Js Qh Kc Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.261% 19.07% 09.19% 386 186.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 71.739% 62.55% 09.19% 1266 186.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KQs, KTs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KQo, KTo }


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1,936 games 0.005 secs 387,200 games/sec

Board: Js Qh Kc Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.878% 16.43% 09.45% 318 183.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 74.122% 64.67% 09.45% 1252 183.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KQs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KQo, KTo }


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1,760 games 0.005 secs 352,000 games/sec

Board: Js Qh Kc Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.398% 10.34% 10.06% 182 177.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 79.602% 69.55% 10.06% 1224 177.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KQs, KTs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KQo }


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1,672 games 0.005 secs 334,400 games/sec

Board: Js Qh Kc Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.225% 06.82% 10.41% 114 174.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 82.775% 72.37% 10.41% 1210 174.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs-ATs, KQs, AKo, AJo-ATo, KQo }


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1,408 games 0.031 secs 45,419 games/sec

Board: Js Qh Kc Jc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 17.045% 05.11% 11.93% 72 168.00 { AsKs }
Hand 1: 82.955% 71.02% 11.93% 1000 168.00 { JJ+, AKs, AJs-ATs, AKo, AJo-ATo }


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and if he does something retarded with AQ all the better
if you were going to fold to his shove don't even bet the turn, dude
that's the weakest line you could take since you lose shit tons of money and don't even see a showdown for a miracle card
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it's like your pot odds are so good it's hard to fold when he could in fact be getting crazy with ridiculous hands
and the wider his range is the better your odds are
I missed KJ, but it's only a few hands anyway
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Old 02-03-2009, 07:08 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Why did u bet the turn so hard (or indeed at all) if u were folding to a shove? Would u have folded river if he flat called and shoved a blank?
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:19 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Um... call. Since you fired the turn hard, it's a call every time here since it's a horseshit min-raise from a short-stack.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:21 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Turn bet/fold is atrocious.
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