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07-26-2009, 11:41 AM
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Would somebody be interested in analysing a video of a 2NL session and giving my some feedback?
I haven't made a video yet but if someone would be willing to do so, I will make one caus I'm feeling like I'm still making some kind of basic mistakes aldo I try to play ABC poker.
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inV1NCEble
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I've made a video but apparently nobody is interrested
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patience sir, link?
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thx, srry if I seemed impatient
Can you please personal message your mail so I can send it
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upload it somewhere like rapidshare and post the link.thenyoure more likely to get viewers and comments.
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I would watch and comment if you would upload it to rapidshare or megaupload.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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Hey what program do you use to make the video? Is there a freeware program for doing so?
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07-26-2009, 03:55 PM
Post subject: software
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I used autoscreenrecorder 3.1 pro
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I'll watch it later, for next time having a mic and recording your thought process in the hands woudl be useful.
It's pretty hard to watch with no sounds.
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spoonitnow I pm'd you the links
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why not just post it in this thread?
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If I post it in the thread, people that play on +- the same limit can see exactly how I play. That can't be good.
(but I guess that most people who play microstakes don't read these articles)
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Originally Posted by inV1NCEble
If I post it in the thread, people that play on +- the same limit can see exactly how I play. That can't be good.
(but I guess that most people who play microstakes don't read these articles)
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This is a bad attitude to have at 2nl.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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inV1NCEble
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How do you mean spoonitnow, isn't that the truth?
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How do you mean spoonitnow, isn't that the truth?
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nobody cares how you play at 2nl
I could probably make a video at 100NL and I would guess it wouldn't cost me any money
in fact I would hope people see me make sick hero calls and avoid bluffing against me
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Originally Posted by inV1NCEble
How do you mean spoonitnow, isn't that the truth?
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If you took a standard look at the way 99% of the 2nl population plays poker, and applied that to how they would act in real life:
You'd have a helmet wearing, mouth breathing, drooling, diaper clad, bald, toothless, 60 year old man covered in yesterdays spaghettios throwing a fit because nothing he seems to do works.
Seriously. These guys are lucky they can log on and spell their own name. They are terrible. I'm not a good player at all, and I have 50k hands of crushing this limit for 25ptbb/100.
What I'm getting at here is that these guys are more worried about what's in their own hand, and how they are going to get the most out of when they flop quads, they are completely oblivious as to what you're doing.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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That's extremely hilarious Ragnar (I really did lol), in my case it was a hamburger. Not all are completely oblivious however because there are at least a few here at FTR. I'd be happy to be in a video and anyone with nothing better to do can watch it. Any feedback from FTR regs would be very +EV.
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LOL @ people know how u play at 2nl.
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I damage threads that may actually benefit some posters
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If you want people to go out of their way to help you, make it easy for them, not difficult.
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Just playing to improve.
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Okay there wasn't any sound or anything (usually you're talking on a mic about what's going on in your hands and your thought processes etc) so it's not going to be much help for me to watch these. If you have the text HHs from these sessions I would look over them though.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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OK srr for even asking the question. I just wanted some feedback. Yes I do know 2NL is pathetic, but I gotta start somewhere.
As for the mic, I asked you to look for basic mistakes so I don't really think that 'explaining my thought process' is that important here, cause it's all kinda basic.
About not putting the vids here I know FTR is a very populair forum so I just didn't want to post the vids here, but instead just ask 1 or 2 better players there opinion.
But if it's that big of a deal then nevermind
btw: I misunderstood you and thought you meant seeing most players in the 2NL as donks who don't read articles was a bad attitute. So most people misunderstood my 'Isn't that the truth'-response ^^
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Originally Posted by inV1NCEble
OK srr for even asking the question. I just wanted some feedback. Yes I do know 2NL is pathetic, but I gotta start somewhere.
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Most of us have started at 2NL so don't think ofit as pathetic , but the cheapest place to learn the fundamentals
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As for the mic, I asked you to look for basic mistakes so I don't really think that 'explaining my thought process' is that important here, cause it's all kinda basic.
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You really need to change this attitude. You could be doing the right things and it would appear to a watcher that you are doing the right thing , but the reason you're doing it that way may be completely wrong. If you get the reason (or as Jyms put it in his blog the 'WHY' ) right then you will then be likely to be making the correct play at a similar situation in the future.
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About not putting the vids here I know FTR is a very populair forum so I just didn't want to post the vids here, but instead just ask 1 or 2 better players there opinion.
But if it's that big of a deal then nevermind
btw: I misunderstood you and thought you meant seeing most players in the 2NL as donks who don't read articles was a bad attitute. So most people misunderstood my 'Isn't that the truth'-response ^^
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Using that logic you won't be posting hand historys of tough spots you get into so that you can get feedback on how you should be thinking and from there work out wjhat you should play in case it helps someone play against you. All that will do is slow down the rateat which you learn and dramatically slow your progress through the stakes.
Don't forget its not only you that benefits from the advice everyone else does as well . This is a community where people receive advice from better players and then in turn help to pass on the advice as they progress and get more confident in their abilities.If you display the attitude that effectively you want private coaching .....well go get a poker coach and pay the going rate.
EDIT : (added this as I don't want my 600th post to be a rant) As an example , I joined at the end of November with zero cash game experience and spent december and january playing very few hands but reading as much as possible on FTR and attempting to join in .Asking questions about replies better players have made so hat I can learn. As I'm going along , I'm now playing a lot more hands , and sitting back and reviewing my sessions its painfully obvious where i played completely wrongly. Some of this you will get from experience , some from advice and some from just studying as much as you can.
I'm now at 10NL , and if i could actuially find that fold button a lot more I'd be on the brink of moving up to 25NL. You have been a member for 5months and before this thread had notched up 19 strategy posts. If you aren't prepared to put the time in and ask questions, to post hands to get feedback on what you are doing wrong don't be surprised if you don't actually learn and improve at a faster rate.
To take this a stage further, in your thread http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...87.html#913235 you seem to give the impression that a couple of general tips and you will be a poker god. Oh i'll jump on speed tables and they are so bad i'll clean up. Oh I'll value bet thinking that will be a panacea. Value betting is vital , but you have to know when to value bet and when not to.Looking at that thread this post is remarkably similar to Robbs post there
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You haven't fixed your leaks, though. Just because you found soft games doesn't mean you've improved. Find the fish, sure, but keep looking for REAL leaks in your game or you won't advance as quickly as you'd like to.
Learn to value bet, learn when to ditch hands, learn to put your opponents on a range - learn all you can, while the learnin's cheap.
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Originally Posted by inV1NCEble
OK srr for even asking the question. I just wanted some feedback. Yes I do know 2NL is pathetic, but I gotta start somewhere.
As for the mic, I asked you to look for basic mistakes so I don't really think that 'explaining my thought process' is that important here, cause it's all kinda basic.
About not putting the vids here I know FTR is a very populair forum so I just didn't want to post the vids here, but instead just ask 1 or 2 better players there opinion.
But if it's that big of a deal then nevermind
btw: I misunderstood you and thought you meant seeing most players in the 2NL as donks who don't read articles was a bad attitute. So most people misunderstood my 'Isn't that the truth'-response ^^
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You're being really defensive. Chill baby. Your thought process is always more important than the actions you take at the table when it comes to improving. Just watching you play hands with nothing on your end is [perhaps surprisingly] rather useless because of this.
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Originally Posted by Ripptyde
I only have 2 simple rules when I am coaching a new student.
Rule # 1: don't ask questions
Rule # 2: don't ask questions
I have no interest in discussing strategy with a protege'. Your job is to remain quiet and listen. I have a very systematic approach that I will share with the right candidate and I promise that I will turn you into a force of nature and show you elements of the game of poker that you never knew existed.
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OK srr, If I made the wrong impression. I definitly don't consider myself a pokergod, otherwise I wouldn't be here asking advice on microstakes. With the valuebetting and tableselection thing I just saw a big improvement.
You guys are all way better players then me, there's no doubt about it. I believe that it is true that I know alot more about poker then an average person, but I seem to have alot of problems problems putting it to work.
About me being defensive: Yes I'm feeling a bit attacked bij you all,
Now that I've read your ideas on the mic-thing I do agree that I was wrong about that.
And I also apologize for not posting the videos here. You're 100 % right about this being a community and not ment for privat coaching but hé I'm new to this you know. I just wanna learn from you guys and get better thats all..
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Originally Posted by inV1NCEble
You guys are all way better players then me, there's no doubt about it. I believe that it is true that I know alot more about poker then an average person, but I seem to have alot of problems problems putting it to work......................................I just wanna learn from you guys and get better thats all..
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Until you can accept that you aren't very good there's no way that you will improve.I'm moving up the stakes but I suck big time . I have massive leaks in my game. How am I moving up then ? Because I've closed some leaks and means I don't suck as badly as other players. Its all relative the 50NL players on this site are good players and making good money but put them up against the truly great players and they suck.
Theres a difference between knowing poker terms and theory and knowing when and how to apply it.
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Wow, Keith, I say you guy's are much better and that I am pretty bad. That I indeed relatively know alot of theory but that I have problems applying and still you are acting like I'm saying I totally 'Rule them donks''.
In my first post I literally say I SUCK and ask for help so I don't see where I'm anywhere near saying I'm good?
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Wow, Keith, I say you guy's are much better and that I am pretty bad. That I indeed relatively know alot of theory but that I have problems applying and still you are acting like I'm saying I totally 'Rule them donks''.
In my first post I literally say I SUCK and ask for help so I don't see where I'm anywhere near saying I'm good?
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Do you need it spelt out ......POST HAND HISTORIES..... explain why you did it like you did , what you were thinking,your reads on your opponents . Until you go through the process of having your thinking analysed you will struggle to improve. Although I'm moving up I'm still a bad player. Just the same as when you start moving up you will still be a bad player. You'll still be a better player than the rest of the players at the stakes you've left behind and hopefully a better player than the worst of the players at your new stake. To keep moving up you have to keep working on and improving your game.
I highlighted in bold the bit where you say that you know a lot about poker.Go and read the newbie circle of death post in the beginners digest.When you write stuff like that it gives the impression that you think you know a lot about poker. What you need to learn first is not advanced concepts , but how to apply basic concepts to situations you are faced with at 2NL. As you move up , you'll gain experience and the basic stuff will come easily and you can then start learning how to apply different concepts .
Nobody is going to be able to just write one post that will suddenly transform you from a losing/breakeven player into a winning player without knowing what your thought processes are.
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inV1NCEble
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Ok I will try to do that. I'll just read the basic articles again and again,keep playing poker,post HH and see where it leads me.
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