|
Shadowskills
|
07-15-2006, 07:31 AM
Post subject: Amazing suckout. Any advice?
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 62
|
|
I raised 4 times the big blind in a $2/$4 NL game. I flopped a set of Jacks. He had J9. I did a weak bet. He reraised. I reraised him. He called. Then I made a pot size bet. He calls and rivers a gutshot straight from his nine. Ridiculous!
What did I do wrong? Did I slow it down too much? Presented too much weakness?
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
|
|
From the way you described the hand, you seem to be an inexperienced player.
The reason I can tell is because an experienced player would have described some very important details of the hand that you left out, including your position, your opponents position, stack sizes, table image, the size of the pot, and the size of the bets.
You should probably play lower stakes. No offense intended.
|
|
|
|
Shadowskills
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 62
|
|
LOL...ok. Actually I'm not a pro but I find myself fairly good.
Well I was in early position. He was on the button. We both had about $250 in stack size. My table image is very tight because I've been folding a lot, the size of the pot after the flop was $36. I make a weak bet of $5 he reraised $5 more to $10. I reraisesd to $35. He called. I made a pot size bet after that. He called. I was putting him on AJ, KJ, or QJ. But I didn't expect J9 after raising 4 times the big blind of $4. His table image was a calling station only if he can limp in the blinds. He rarely calls a raise unless he has something decent. Will that do Renton?
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
From the way you described the hand, you seem to be an inexperienced player.
The reason I can tell is because an experienced player would have described some very important details of the hand that you left out, including your position, your opponents position, stack sizes, table image, the size of the pot, and the size of the bets.
You should probably play lower stakes. No offense intended.
|
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
|
|
What were the board cards?
I am inclined to believe you played it ok, especially considering the stack sizes. If the flop were draw heavy, then you gave him a really good price to see the turn with your small flop reraise. You made it to where he had to call 25 in a 81 dollar pot, which is good enough odds to chase most draws. Sure he only had a gutshot, but he also had a pair of jacks, which he's going to presume to give him 5 outs for two pair (even though those outs aren't good for him with your set, he doesn't know this). So he probably thinks his hand may be good as it is, but if it isn't he has nine outs to something better.
You probably should have made it more to go on the flop, raise it to at least 50 or so, but as the hand turned out you made it plenty expensive enough for him to draw out. With 65bb effective stacks, theres no way you should ever get away from a set of jacks, unless theres four to a str8 or flush on the board, and even then its hard.
|
|
|
|
Shadowskills
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 62
|
|
Well there was a 6,J,8 on the flop. Based on his player personality he would not be holding 57, 97, or 9T after 4x big blind. Turn was a 5, river was a 7. I still couldn't imagine him looking for draws on the turn. He had 10 outs with any J, 9, or 7 on the turn if he put me on an over pair. Guess my pot size bet on the turn still gave him the right price on the turn.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Renton
What were the board cards?
I am inclined to believe you played it ok, especially considering the stack sizes. If the flop were draw heavy, then you gave him a really good price to see the turn with your small flop reraise. You made it to where he had to call 25 in a 81 dollar pot, which is good enough odds to chase most draws. Sure he only had a gutshot, but he also had a pair of jacks, which he's going to presume to give him 5 outs for two pair (even though those outs aren't good for him with your set, he doesn't know this). So he probably thinks his hand may be good as it is, but if it isn't he has nine outs to something better.
You probably should have made it more to go on the flop, raise it to at least 50 or so, but as the hand turned out you made it plenty expensive enough for him to draw out. With 65bb effective stacks, theres no way you should ever get away from a set of jacks, unless theres four to a str8 or flush on the board, and even then its hard.
|
|
|
|
|
Lukie
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: back with a vengeance
Posts: 3,307
|
|
Quote:
|
Amazing suckout. Any advice?
|
quit poker
|
|
|
|
Shadowskills
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 62
|
|
Can't quit. I make $200 daily average as an after work hobby.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Lukie
Quote:
|
Amazing suckout. Any advice?
|
quit poker |
|
|
|
|
Renton
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
Posts: 5,991
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Shadowskills
I make $200 daily average as an after work hobby.
|
Heh, as bad as I run lately I am lucky to make $200 when I ten table 1/2NL for 3 hours daily.
|
|
|
|
givememyleg
|
|
WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
Administrator
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
Posts: 5,040
|
|
400nl and you have a stack size of $250? Why?
|
Get your own badge! Click profile at the top and FTR Badge from the left nav.
"The Dragon in My Garage" by Carl Sagan
I say onto you, I've felt the dragon! I felt the touch of his tail, the breath of his fire, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the dragon exists!
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Shadowskills
Can't quit. I make $200 daily average as an after work hobby.
|
 
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by givememyleg
400nl and you have a stack size of $250? Why?
|
ya that too
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
Lukie
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: back with a vengeance
Posts: 3,307
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Shadowskills
Can't quit. I make $200 daily average as an after work hobby.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Lukie
Quote:
|
Amazing suckout. Any advice?
|
quit poker |
|
Quote:
I raised 4 times the big blind in a $2/$4 NL game. I flopped a set of Jacks. He had J9. I did a weak bet. He reraised. I reraised him. He called. Then I made a pot size bet. He calls and rivers a gutshot straight from his nine. Ridiculous!
What did I do wrong? Did I slow it down too much? Presented too much weakness?
|
so u go allin having him crushed, get sucked out on, and ask what you did wrong. Nothing?
|
|
|
|
martindcx1e
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 3,614
|
|
ya i'm still confused about what exactly took place. did you bet him AI on the turn with your PSB? what was the action on the river, if any? the reason some of us are saying to move down or that you are inexperienced or whatever is because the hand just seems to be a bad beat that we all should expect to happen every time we sit down to play. if you got the money in while ahead then nh. you can't avoid bad luck so don't spend too much time focusing on it. just tell villain nh and hope he sticks around.
|
|
Wikipedia is the best thing ever. Anyone in the world can write anything they want about any subject. So you know you are getting the best possible information.
|
|
jackvance
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 2,910
|
|
If he now challenges the FTR regulars to a HU, then the deja-vu is complete.
|
|
Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
|
|
givememyleg
|
|
WHO YA GONNA CALL?!??
Administrator
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
Posts: 5,040
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by jackvance
If he now challenges the FTR regulars to a HU, then the deja-vu is complete.
|
lol
|
Get your own badge! Click profile at the top and FTR Badge from the left nav.
"The Dragon in My Garage" by Carl Sagan
I say onto you, I've felt the dragon! I felt the touch of his tail, the breath of his fire, and I know without a shadow of a doubt that the dragon exists!
|
|
Shadowskills
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 62
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by givememyleg
400nl and you have a stack size of $250? Why?
|
ya that too[/quote]
$80 is the minimum. I never put the whole $400 in there.
|
|
|
|
Silly String
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: KC, MO
Posts: 1,434
|
|
Bad beat forum is down the hall a little further.
|
|
Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
|
|
DaHorror
|
|
Full House
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 616
|
|
Aw comon give the guy a break - at least for the sake of his avatar!
|
|
|
|
bode
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2006
Location: slow motion
Posts: 4,270
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Shadowskills
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by givememyleg
400nl and you have a stack size of $250? Why?
|
ya that too |
$80 is the minimum. I never put the whole $400 in there.[/quote]
always buy in for the maximum . <------(period)
|
Quote:
|
eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
|
|
|
The Izebox
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: bronx new york
Posts: 255
|
|
1. Suckouts are the reasons why you have a roll. You should be happy that he called you down with 4 outs. That being said its crappy that you lost, but what can you do. Im sure that all of us here have been destacked by 4 outers, runner runners, had our bottom two pair counterfeited, etc etc. Who gives a f--k. All that matters is that you got all the money in with the best hand, thats all you can do bro.
2. DONT BUY IN SHORT. DONT BUY IN SHORT.
whatever reasons you have to sit shortstacked are outweighed by better reasons to do otherwise.
Its a grind man, keep grinding.
|
|
Me? I always tell the truth.
Even when I lie.
|
|
Warpe
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Canuckistan
Posts: 3,905
|
|
Please post more. I can't promise I'll read them but your avatar is smoking hot.
|
|
|
|
Halv
|
|
pro crastinator
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: No hindsight for the blind.
Posts: 1,842
|
|
*notes that OP registered on FTR before any other posters in this thread*
|
|
|
|
The Izebox
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: bronx new york
Posts: 255
|
|
lol
and your point is?
|
|
Me? I always tell the truth.
Even when I lie.
|
|
Halv
|
|
pro crastinator
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: No hindsight for the blind.
Posts: 1,842
|
|
Damnit. There has to be a point? 
|
|
|
|
BankItDrew
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Losing Prop Bets
Posts: 2,789
|
|
I want my 2 minutes back.
|
Girlfriend: Why are the werewolves more important than living life?!
Girlfriend: Are you on the forums doing the werewolves again?
Girlfriend: Soo... you forgot to run that errand, but you had time to werewolf? Wtf?
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
05-26-2012, 03:08 PM Australia Legalized Online Poker coming up in next 6 to 12 Months
Linear Mode
