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call204

11-01-2006, 08:45 PM Post subject: Am I playing these hands wrong?

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Join Date: Oct 2006

Posts: 2

Today has just been horrible for me. Here are some of the hands from today. Am I doing something wrong or should I keep playing them the same and maybe its just a bad day?

I tried using the hand coverter but it isn't working properly for the other hands.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($20.55)
Hero ($29.25)
CO ($22.80)
Button ($24.70)
SB ($4.55)
BB ($30.37)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8

, 8

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) 8

, K

, 5

(5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, CO calls $1, SB calls $1, BB folds, UTG calls $1.

Turn: ($5.25) T

(4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $3.5, CO calls $3.50, UTG calls $3.50.

River: ($15.75) 7

(4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, CO calls $5, UTG raises to $10, Hero calls $5, CO calls $5.

Final Pot: $45.75

Results in white below:
SB has Ks 9s (one pair, kings).
UTG has 9h Jh (straight, jack high).
Hero has 8c 8s (three of a kind, eights).
CO has Kd Th (two pair, kings and tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $45.75.

***** Hand History for Game 5408850387 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 01, 13:19:37 ET 2006
Table Table 126598 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 5: StormRider29 ( $20.07 )
Seat 6: lark100 ( $31.52 )
Seat 2: call204 ( $21.55 )
Seat 4: sekme_ ( $16.10 )
Seat 3: zikit ( $8.15 )
Seat 1: lockstock444 ( $11.50 )
sekme_ posts small blind [$0.10].
StormRider29 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to call204 [ Td Kd ]
lark100 folds.
lockstock444 folds.
call204 raises [$1].
zikit folds.
sekme_ folds.
StormRider29 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, As, Qh ]
StormRider29 checks.
call204 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
StormRider29 bets [$0.25].
call204 raises [$0.50].
StormRider29 raises [$0.50].
call204 raises [$4.50].
StormRider29 raises [$8.50].
call204 is all-In [$15.55]
StormRider29 is all-In [$9.82]
** Dealing River ** [ Jd ]
StormRider29 shows [ Ah, Ac ] a full house, Aces full of Jacks.
call204 shows [ Td, Kd ] a straight Ten to Ace.
call204 wins $1.48 from side pot #1 with a straight, Ten to Ace.
StormRider29 wins $38.24 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Jacks.

***** Hand History for Game 5408816419 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, November 01, 13:01:45 ET 2006
Table Table 126346 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: Cjarl ( $23.95 )
Seat 6: lark100 ( $12.03 )
Seat 4: call204 ( $29.95 )
Seat 5: Pangaea7 ( $26.05 )
Seat 3: PandaOnFire ( $25 )
Seat 1: fireflash222 ( $26.30 )
PandaOnFire posts small blind [$0.10].
call204 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to call204 [ Ts Td ]
Pangaea7 folds.
lark100 folds.
fireflash222 folds.
Cjarl folds.
PandaOnFire raises [$0.90].
call204 raises [$1.50].
PandaOnFire raises [$4].
call204 calls [$3.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, Th, Ad ]
PandaOnFire checks.
call204 bets [$9].
PandaOnFire is all-In [$20]
call204 calls [$11].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
call204 shows [ Ts, Td ] a full house, Tens full of Aces.
PandaOnFire shows [ Kc, Ac ] a full house, Aces full of Kings.
PandaOnFire wins $47.50 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of Kings.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($24)
BB ($82.13)
UTG ($16.90)
MP ($13.41)
Hero ($39.81)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, A

. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BB raises to $1.5, Hero calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.60) K

, A

, 2

(2 players)
BB bets $0.35, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2.65.

Turn: ($9.60) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $5.

River: ($29.60) T

(2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Final Pot: $35.60
Main Pot: $35.60, between BB and Hero. > Pot won by BB ($35.60).

Results in white below:
BB has Jc Qc (straight, ace high).
Hero has Kc Ac (two pair, aces and kings).
Outcome: BB wins $35.60.

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Rondavu

11-01-2006, 08:51 PM

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Join Date: Jan 2005

Posts: 3,053

You played these hands very well. You just got porked over and over. These things happen sometimes, and when they do they put you on tilt, and never seem to end. Don't let the variance monster have it's way with you. Keep playing the same and it will be alright.

It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.

Xanadu

11-02-2006, 07:12 PM

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Full House

Join Date: May 2005

Location: st. paul, MO

Posts: 966

You got the money in with the best of it. I wonder that you even question playing right here. Hand 2 you had the nuts and got all the money in on the turn. Worst case here opponent has QJs for 13 outs. If you are questioning your play on hands like this, you need to realize bad beats happen and all you can do is what you did ... get the money in when you are the favorite.

andy-akb

11-03-2006, 12:49 AM

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Posts: 1,836

1. Raise PF, as played bet the river harder and get it AI. You should have lost more here

2. Bet flop. Make a real raise on the turn and be happy to get it in with the nuts.

3. Your reraise is small PF. Flop is obviously fine.

4. Only thing I do differently is make a bigger turn raise.

Bad beats are frustrating, but we all deal with them. I disagree with the others saying you played the hands well. I do not think they were absolutely horrible, but there is a lot of work that can be done on all of them. Would these changes have made you win the hand? No, but they would win you more money in the long run.

TLR

11-03-2006, 05:49 AM

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Obviously on all hands you got your money in with the best of it and get drawn out, however there are a few things that I would have done differenty.

#1: Your preflop and flop were good, but after the flop you got 3 villians who showed some interest in the end, with each caller improving the odds for the next one. I would bet the turn harder, at least pot it, to shake off some of the chasers.

#2: Bet the flop, you showed strength preflop, rep the A. On the turn dont minraise

#4: Raise more on the turn

call204

11-04-2006, 05:32 AM

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Join Date: Oct 2006

Posts: 2

Thanks for the replies guys. I don't know..I've been losing a lot of my bankroll the last 3 weeks all because of these kinds of hands. I was at 8.3bb/100 hands after the first 40k hands and now the last 3 weeks, 30k hands later, i'm at 0.8bb/100 hands. I'm losing so much with hands like these. I thought maybe I'm playing some of these wrong and needed some advice.

Anosmic

11-04-2006, 08:05 AM

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Full House

Join Date: Jan 2006

Location: Sweden

Posts: 999

Right, the first thing to think about is the bad beats. You should be able to tell that these are not errors in play but rather variance.

If you're not entirely sure then put the hand through http://twodimes.net/poker/ or something and check that you bet with the best of it.

The only chronic issue seems to be your bet/raise sizing. You have to take into account the size of the pot and that includes any bets for the round.

For instance the last hand (KA) you have a $10 pot and opponents bets $5 into it. You then effectively raise it $5 back to him, asking him to put $5 in to win a $25 pot.

The effective pot is $20 (with the pot + his bet and your call), a bet in the range $15-20 at least is needed here.

This is part of my game I've just started to improve and I have to say that I missed it a lot when people told me to bet more.
It may be that you slipped up and made a few small bets, but it's also possible that you need to think about your entire betting strategy.

Blah blah Op Blah blah

Faith in Jesus Christ is +EV. That is all.

biondino

11-04-2006, 08:49 AM

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Posts: 3,170

Here's a thing. When you're in a mutliway pot and you have a monster, there are two types of players you'll be facing:

1. The good hand that's worse than yours. These are the guys you don't want to fold - they'll call and raise to the river and they're almost certainly not going to draw out on you.

2. The drawing hands - these guys you want to fold. They'll only put small amounts in anyway (and fold the river if they don't hit) but if they do hit, they're taking your stack. Bet them out of the pot.

3. The nuts. You're losing your stack to this whatever happens, but fortunately it happens very infrequently, gg.

In all three cases - BET HARD. Gl.

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