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Clar17y

08-20-2007, 09:39 PM Post subject: Am i playing bad poker? (A few hands for analysis)

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*edit* - Balls i think i wanted to post this in the HH section, if it could be moved that would be awesome :P *edit*
I've played over 2,200 hands and i'm down at 0.10/0.25 on PS by $175. Whilst some of this is probably me playing bad, i didn't think i was a losing player... Is this too long to be a losing streak?

On a seperate note, i've been browsing this place looking for all the tips i could find and eventually signed up and would like to post a couple of hands from a table i just played and came away from $50 down...

I have quite a lot of notes on the players at the table and will try and post them along with the hand.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver Cards

BB ($6.70)
UTG ($25.30)
Hero ($24.20)
MP1 ($21)
MP2 ($10)
CO ($9.30)
Button ($28.25)
SB ($24.75)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Kd,Qd
UTG raises to $1, Hero calls $1, MP1 calls $1, 5 folds.

Flop: ($3.35) Jc, 9h, Kh
(3 players)
UTG bets $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($6.85) 2s
(2 players)
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3.

River: ($12.85) 4s
(2 players)
UTG bets $6.50, Hero?

Villain here had stats: 241 hands, 22.41% VPIP, 8.7% PF Raise, Total Agg Factor 1.6. WTS 20% - Won@SD 27%.
With a small preflop raise %age and aggression factor i assumed i was beat here, should this be auto calls that'll probably be +EV in the long run? Or even knowing these stats was it best to raise the flop/turn for information?

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver

MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($26.05)
Hero ($21.25)
Button ($22.60)
SB ($13)
BB ($7.75)
UTG ($23)
UTG+1 ($79.50)
MP1 ($20.95)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Kd,Kc
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, SB calls $2.40, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.25, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($8.75) 9c, 7d, Ad
(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero ?

Both check to me here, is firing a continuation bet ok? Or do you assume one of them has an ace? (No real read on either player (obviously if they call i'm done with the hand?))

3 Hands later i get QQ taking it down on the flop, hand straight after that:

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed)
Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver

Button ($25)
SB ($25.80)
Hero ($26.50)
UTG ($22.60)
UTG+1 ($10.50)
MP1 ($15.50)
MP2 ($30.20)
MP3 ($82.55)
CO ($5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ad,Ac
CO posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.75, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.75, MP3 calls $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, Hero raises to $2.75, UTG+1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Flop: ($10) Qc, 9s, kh
(3 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises to $27.45, Hero ?

OOP i figure it best to bet out, was that ok? Do i call here? I figure there is 1 likely hand he has: AK, would he push with it? I dunno, he'd seen me lay down quite a few hands when i met heavy resistance (mainly because i was drawing and had no real hand on the river, or i made a continuation bet heads up and got re-raised etc). (Note MP2 is same player as UTG in KK hand)
Is calling ok here?

Any help appreciated

Clar

(P.S. - 10 ports before i can link images/urls? At least make an exception for your own hand conterver? lol)
(P.P.S - Writing PkrStrs causes it to link as a referal, which counts as a link? That's a bit dumb... Either that or you can't use colour/italics in posts until 10 posts too and that would be worse...)

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spoonitnow

08-20-2007, 10:36 PM

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Hand 1 - You should decide where you're at on the flop or turn, not the river after you've called two bets. If you call the turn, you have to call the river here imo since the river couldn't have improved villain's hand.

Hand 2 - Bleh. Against two guys who called a 3-bet, I'd think you're behind a shitload of the time here, so I'd probably check and pray for a diamond (or even better, king

) on the turn, then you can play a flush draw on the turn and squeeze some EV maybe.

Hand 3 - I'd probably raise a little more preflop, but I'd definitely bet more on the flop. Both of these improvements would make your decision much easier here, imo.

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Clar17y

08-20-2007, 11:03 PM

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Yeah i understand hand 1 was probably bad play, so the idea is either raise him to find out where i am (re-raise back to me indicates a fold?) or call him at the river if it looks like a blank?

On hand 3, if i bet more on the flop doesn't that just make me pot committed? I mean it was rainbow, and i thought $5 would entice him to come along with top pair, allowing me to get more money out of him.

I generally find that when someone re-raises with a push like that against me on the flop it's almost always a good hand hoping i'll read it as a bluff or weakness and call, but then i find myself folding a lot to these annoying plays. Of course it's all read dependant but most of the time i have no read or they haven't done it to me before but others at the table have etc...
At this limit is it best just to wait for sets before calling those all-ins, or is TPTK/Overpair sometimes good?

Clar

Deanglow

08-20-2007, 11:12 PM

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Against a typical UTG raiser, fold KQ in that position. As played raise the flop to find out where you're at.

Raise preflop bigger in hand 2 to something like $4. I like a 1/2-2/3 pot c-bet then shutdown.

Again raise a littler bigger PF in hand 3. I would fold the flop, but calling isn't bad. Prepared to see J10, 99 and KQ here a lot.

spoonitnow

08-20-2007, 11:12 PM

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For hand 3, let me put it this way. Would you call a minraise on the flop and a push on a blank turn?

Clar17y

08-20-2007, 11:55 PM

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Yeah, if he minraised i'd call and shove on turn, is that a bad play?
As played was folding the right move?

It seems fairly certain i should've raised more PF, i'm assuming this is to get it heads up instead of a multi-way pot as in hand 2?

Thanks for all the input tho, foldin KQ is something i suspected but it's a tempting looking hand suited :P

Clar

daven

08-21-2007, 12:29 AM

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Hand 1. Villain PFR 8.7 and is UTG. His range is probably pretty narrow (99-aa, ak? something like that). Maybe fold pre-flop. Post flop most of his range has you beat and won't be folding, either re-raise (prepared to fold) or fold.

Hand 2. What do they think you have? KK, AK, AQ, QQ, AA? I would bet here, hoping they fold AQ and QQ. Ready to fold to the check-raise and if they call maybe time to stop as well.

Hand 3) Raise more pre-flop, you want to isolate. Maybe even push, would it be bad poker to take down this small pot pre-flop? Raise more post-flop, then be prepared to fold to the re-raise (set?straight?)

wouterpoker

08-21-2007, 12:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Deanglow

Against a typical UTG raiser, fold KQ in that position. As played raise the flop to find out where you're at.

could you explain that plz? i love KQs in position and i never fold this vs typical 4x UTG raise. is this a leak?

for the hands discussed. raise more preflop, especially since it looks like very loose tables. I like to play aces versus 1 opponent or not at all. hand 1 raise the flop, as played i would probably still fold.

Chopper

08-21-2007, 12:52 AM Post subject: Re: Am i playing bad poker? (A few hands for analysis)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clar17y

I've played over 2,200 hands and i'm down at 0.10/0.25 on PS by $175. Whilst some of this is probably me playing bad, i didn't think i was a losing player... Is this too long to be a losing streak?

please cry when you have played 12k+ hands and are down by $150 still when AA, KK, AK, and JJ are your biggest four losers.

nice section: i feel your pain. i am having a streak of my own (too obvious?). dont worry; keep plugging. 2200 is nothing...trust us.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

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sejje

08-21-2007, 02:25 AM Post subject: Re: Am i playing bad poker? (A few hands for analysis)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chopper

please cry when you have played 12k+ hands and are down by $150 still when AA, KK, AK, and JJ are your biggest four losers.

He's not crying even a little bit. You are, though.

OP: this is not enough hands to tell. I think there's mistakes in these hands, but they're not terrible.

Hand 1: As played, that river is definitely a call. If I played the hand, I'd raise the flop or fold the turn.

Hand 2: That's a tough spot, but I'm usually going to bet there. Probably 1/3 of the pot, which is not my normal bet, but the bet would be large enough that you could either take the pot or be assured you're beaten and fold the turn.

Hand 3: I'd fold there, I think. Depends on the player, but generally I think that's a monster or air. Usually 25NL players aren't doing that with air, so I think you're generally behind. I don't think a call is that bad, however.

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