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martindcx1e
Old 08-07-2006, 08:10 PM     Post subject: Am I missing out on value from suited connectors? #1 (permalink)  
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it seems many people advise limping sc's behind limpers and playing them in multiway pots. for quite some time i've only been playing these hands from middle-late position and raising with them and avoiding multiway pots. i've been trying to play them so that i'm only against 1 or 2 opponents and in position. i'm paranoid about drawing to a 2nd best flush in a big multiway pot. am i losing value by only playing them like this?
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:19 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Flush on flush using both hole cards is rare. Pay it off.

Sooted connectors have a low chance to hit big hands. You want a multiway pot for two reasons:
1) Better odds out of the gate. Why limit yourself to 1:3 when you could have 1:7?
2) Better chance someone else will hit something worthy when you hit big. You want someone sitting on a freak two pair when you nail your straight on the turn...you'll both think you're so sly, only you'll very likely end up with his stack instead of the reverse.
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Old 08-07-2006, 08:44 PM #3 (permalink)  
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i see. so how many of you usually raise these hands from the last 3-4 seats when first in? btw i am talking about full ring.
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i see. so how many of you usually raise these hands from the last 3-4 seats when first in? btw i am talking about full ring.
I could raise any SC from any position if I feel like it, but then again I use game theory alot.

But for normal circumstance at SSNL, I pop a lot of high-middle SC's on the HJ. For raising them on the CO or BU, I like to know how the blinds play. I almost never 43s or 32s though, and if I play 54s for implied odds value (i.e. lots of limpers) it's almost always on the button.
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Old 08-08-2006, 12:34 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Who need connected? Generally I just want to see as cheap of a flop as possible and if I can't I look for:
a raise that helps me define an opponents hand,
another caller or two on average,
have calling cost me less than 10% of my chips,
and preferably -but not always- close the betting.
With SCs I will take a positional disadvantage preflop since I can get rid of them so easily on the flop and usually I don't have to face extremely difficult situations with them.

Here are four hands I played last night. One is a suited gapper, two are suited connectors and the last is another suited gapper that I use to randomize my raises with.


******* Hand 1 ********

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $9.40
Hero: $23.55
MP1: $28.75
MP2: $41.95
MP3: $22.60
CO: $7.95
Button: $14.95
SB: $20.75
BB: $34.90

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 3 5
UTG folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.25, BB calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 6 7 4 ($5, 4 players)
SB bets $4, BB folds, Hero raises to $10, MP3 folds, SB raises all-in $15.35, Hero calls all-in $12.15.
Uncalled bets: $12.15 returned to Hero.

Turn: 6 ($30.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $35.7)


River: 4 ($30.35, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $35.7)


Results:
Final pot: $30.35
Hero shows 3H 5H
SB shows 10C10D


******* Hand 2 ********

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $40.35
UTG+1: $13.05
UTG+2: $3.80
MP1: $24.30
MP2: $26.35
MP3: $61.25
CO: $24.95
Button: $29.05
SB: $25.60
Hero: $25

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with 8 9
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises to $0.5, 3 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button raises to $1.25, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: 7 4 3 ($5.4, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, Button bets $1.5, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, MP3 raises to $5, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 2 ($20.4, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $10, Button calls, Hero raises all-in $18.75, MP3 calls, Button calls.

River: T ($76.65, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $76.65)
MP3 checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $76.65
MP3 shows 4H 4C
Button shows AD JH
Hero shows 8D 9D


******* Hand 3 ********

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
8 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $15
UTG+1: $25.05
Button: $29.05
SB: $25.6
Hero: $81.40
MP2: $50.40
CO: $25
Button: $2
SB: $48.70
BB: $32.60

Pre-flop: (8 players) Hero is MP1 with 7 6
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, MP2, folds, CO (poster) checks, Button folds, SB calls, BB raises to $1.35, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO folds, SB calls.

Flop: 7 J 6 ($5.65, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4, UTG calls, Hero raises to $14, SB folds, BB raises all-in $27, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 9 ($63.65, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.65)


River: Q ($63.65, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $63.65)


Results:
Final pot: $63.65
BB shows KC KH
Hero shows 7H 6H


******* Hand 4 ********

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
10 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $25.75
UTG+1: $25
UTG+2: $7.45
MP1: $24.65
MP2: $78.25
MP3: $23.40
Hero: $129.85
Button: $23.50
SB: $24.55
BB: $24.75

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 6 Q
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $1, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: Q T 6 ($3.25, 3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $5, SB folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: Q ($13.25, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: J ($13.25, 2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets $5, MP2 folds.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $13.25
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