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Old 02-23-2009, 03:32 AM     Post subject: Am I doing something wrong? #1 (permalink)  
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I know I've only played about 3K hands. Down about 3.5 buyins. Any suggestions?

VPIP: 14.3%
PFR: 10.7%
3Bet%: 2.7%
WTSD: 26.1%
W$SD%: 39.2%
AGG: 5.4
AGG%: 32.7%

Any other stats you'd like to see?
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:06 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Aggression is kinda high... you're probably spewing in too many bad spots.
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:15 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:28 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:46 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 cut back your tables to 3-4 and really focus on each hand. Try and really get a feel for the tables etc. Focus on position and the basics until you have many more hands in. Don't worry about the results but your play in general. I suspect you've done like most of us and started multi-tabling and you really aren't leanring as you play. Just my small blinds worth and mainly based on my own experience. What stakes are you playing at?
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:51 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I'm playing $10NL. I played over the summer for a couple months and made a couple hundred playing the same limits and multi-tabling up to about 12 tables. I'm thinking about cutting it down and reading a little more, but also 3000 hands isn't too much.
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Old 02-23-2009, 04:53 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 Until you start showing some profit I'd cut it down to at the most 4 and work on picking better spots postlfop (as Airles pointed out your aggression seems pretty high, and you're not winning as many showdowns as you should be - but of course sample is small).

Again 3K hands isn't really much of a sample, but I still think it will give a bit of an indication on where things are heading.

What's your Flop C-bet and Turn C-bet %'s? If I had to guess you're probably over-doing it given your high aggression. Oh and you should also include your Attempt to steal blinds stat.
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Old 02-23-2009, 05:04 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Flop CBet: 75%
Turn CBet: 70%
River CBet: 64%

I can't find my attempt to steal
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:30 AM #9 (permalink)  
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14/10 and 40 w$SD suggest ur just running bad.
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:34 AM #10 (permalink)  
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14/10 and 40 w$SD suggest ur just running bad.
This. Bad hand reading will also drive down your W$SD.
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Old 02-23-2009, 08:58 PM #11 (permalink)  
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if your aggression factor is 5.4 but only 30% aggression frequency it looks like you're either folding too much or calling too little

I doubt you're spewing because I have a much higher aggression frequency but lower aggression factor because I call more
sure you could be running bad, but doing something like b/3b shove every time you flop TPTK or an overpair could have something to do with it since you'd get called by better more often than not

but we can't really offer particular advice without some hands
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Yes, it definitely looks like you're not ever flat calling. Most of the time we all suggest that you don't call much, but in your case, if you have an AF of 5.4 and a cbet % ~ 70, you're probably almost never calling. That could be a good thing, but it's just an anomaly worth pointing out.

There's no way your 'real' W$SD% is below 40%, so just grind out some more hands and take a look when you're over 10k.
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Old 02-23-2009, 10:19 PM #13 (permalink)  
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Flop CBet: 75%
Turn CBet: 70%
River CBet: 64%

I can't find my attempt to steal
Do you C-bet 75%, then continue bluffing 70% on turn and 64% on river???

Hope I do not understand the stats here, but from what I understand you seem like an incredibly aggressive player. From my experience 10NL is not the best place to bluff this much- especially not on flops.
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Yea, I'm going to stop double and triple barreling. I'm getting a little too attached to certain hands and trying to make fancy plays.

I am a very aggressive player, its just with the more experience I've gained, I feel like I can push people off of hands at certain times - which can get me into trouble if my read is off.

I guess I'm not really exactly sure when I should be calling. I have the mentality of why be in the if I'm not in control of it? So I could use some examples of when I should be calling? IDK should I post some hand histories of big losses?
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Old 02-23-2009, 10:52 PM #15 (permalink)  
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PokerStars Game #25280956396: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/02/23 18:49:49 ET
Table 'Deimos VII' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: M_Denholm ($7.90 in chips)
Seat 2: igdrasil86 ($10 in chips)
Seat 5: kovalko ($1.90 in chips)
Seat 7: jijoman ($10.45 in chips)
Seat 8: CBat28 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 9: Dustsman ($10 in chips)
CBat28: posts small blind $0.05
Dustsman: posts big blind $0.10
Olannon: sits out
bagalude: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CBat28 [As Kh]
M_Denholm: folds
igdrasil86: folds
kovalko: folds
jijoman: raises $0.40 to $0.50
CBat28: calls $0.45
Dustsman: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Ad 9d]
CBat28: bets $0.50
jijoman: raises $1 to $1.50
CBat28: raises $2.50 to $4
jijoman: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [Ah Ad 9d] [7s]
CBat28: bets $5.15 and is all-in

Did I play this right? I only had 7 hands on the villian and he was 60/0
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Old 02-23-2009, 11:52 PM #17 (permalink)  
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I looked through the top earners of online poker and almost all of them are crazy spewtards...

Your game is probably very strong, but maybe not optimal in the kind of games you are playing.
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I looked through the top earners of online poker and almost all of them are crazy spewtards...
or more likely, they are able to discern incredibly small edges and push the hell out of them....
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I looked through the top earners of online poker and almost all of them are crazy spewtards...
or more likely, they are able to discern incredibly small edges and push the hell out of them....
I hoped putting ... after my sentence it could be read as semi-ironic.

The biggest earners in this game play loose and extremely aggressive. They do push incredibly marginal edges, but not only Equity wise. They also push with very marginal FOLD EQUITY edge. However there is nice to notice that not all of them are "crazy".

Biggest winners in 2009

1. Tom Dwan- "BOMB"
Earnings: 1.4 million USD

"Bombs play very aggressively. They rely on winning most of their pots by bluffing or semibluffing. These player raise a wide range of hands preflop."

2. _fullflush1_ -"MANIAC"
Earnings: 584 000 USD

Maniacs play very very aggressive. They like to see lots of flops and they usually come in raising.

3. No data

4. liberty6- "BOMB"
Earings: 400 000 USD

5. Molswi47- "SHARK"
Earnings: 397 000 USD
Shark is "smart" TAG.

6. "SHARK"

7. No data

8. "BOMB"

9. "REDFISH" (Someone who is aggressive preflop, but only aggressive post flop with good equity)

10. "REDFISH"

11. "REDFISH"

12. "SHARK

13. "BOMB"

15. "REDFISH"

It is interesting that there is quite a lot of REDFISH on the list. Passive play is not always as bad as its reputation.
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I do play pretty aggressive. I don't feel that I'm playing much differently than I did over the summer (where I ran about 8BB/100 for 30K hands).

So it may just be a small sample size and running kind of cool. I'll come back after about 10K.
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Old 02-24-2009, 04:48 AM #21 (permalink)  
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 Where you get your ratings, Sir P, its a site that's dedicated to profile people accoding to FR benchmarks.

_fullflush1_, for instance, is classified as a maniac because he plays 50% of hands preflop. He plays 50% of hands preflop because he is primairly a HU player.

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Old 02-25-2009, 02:22 PM #22 (permalink)  
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vpip cud be a lil bit higher and reduce ur number of tables
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Old 02-25-2009, 04:01 PM #23 (permalink)  
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That is a huge point JacK.

The stats are meaningless if they include HU. That is probably why Ivey is labeled as MANIAC too. When I have railed the great players they are never as crazy as their reputation. Maybe that is why they win so much?
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 If you never call or rarely call, your missing out on value in certain spots where you'd get none by betting.
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